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	<title>Comments on: On RE5 and claims of &#8220;American-centricism&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: 01d55</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-06-10_719#comment-171051</link>
		<dc:creator>01d55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of a post in the Iris forums: http://forums.theirisnetwork.org/viewtopic.php?p=4331#p4331
Discovering that Japan holds a view of Latin America uncannily similar to that held by the United States was a surreal experience for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a post in the Iris forums: <a href="http://forums.theirisnetwork.org/viewtopic.php?p=4331#p4331" rel="nofollow">http://forums.theirisnetwork.org/viewtopic.php?p=4331#p4331</a><br />
Discovering that Japan holds a view of Latin America uncannily similar to that held by the United States was a surreal experience for me.</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-06-10_719#comment-171045</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Elly:&lt;/b&gt; Ah, I gotcha. And, yeah, I agree than more than just the issue of US-centrism that there is also the effects of globalization at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Elly:</b> Ah, I gotcha. And, yeah, I agree than more than just the issue of US-centrism that there is also the effects of globalization at work.</p>
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		<title>By: Elly</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-06-10_719#comment-171042</link>
		<dc:creator>Elly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I mean by saying that the world is US-centric is that at least the international politics of US  concerns and triggers reactions in the whole world (see e.g., Irak anti-war demonstrations), so even non-US people may have problems with the game because through e.g. the news these american actions are a part of their life. Americans going to save the world in a "thirld world" country has a resonance with these facts.

Actually it may not just be a question of being US-centered, but of internationalisation: if a game portrayed a chinese hero killing budhist monk zombies, I think it would be a problem for people not just in China, but nearly everywhere (at least, where there is international news, but when you can get a playstation 3 you probably have a TV).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I mean by saying that the world is US-centric is that at least the international politics of US  concerns and triggers reactions in the whole world (see e.g., Irak anti-war demonstrations), so even non-US people may have problems with the game because through e.g. the news these american actions are a part of their life. Americans going to save the world in a &#8220;thirld world&#8221; country has a resonance with these facts.</p>
<p>Actually it may not just be a question of being US-centered, but of internationalisation: if a game portrayed a chinese hero killing budhist monk zombies, I think it would be a problem for people not just in China, but nearly everywhere (at least, where there is international news, but when you can get a playstation 3 you probably have a TV).</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
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		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Elly:&lt;/b&gt; I pretty much agree with you, although I would say that the critiques stand because they're relevant to a game that has a American protagonist, involves an area that has a long and sordid history with America that's invoked because of said protagonist and his mission, and is marketed, in part, to an American audience, rather than because the world is US-centric (personally, I think we could all stand to be less focused on the US).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Elly:</b> I pretty much agree with you, although I would say that the critiques stand because they&#8217;re relevant to a game that has a American protagonist, involves an area that has a long and sordid history with America that&#8217;s invoked because of said protagonist and his mission, and is marketed, in part, to an American audience, rather than because the world is US-centric (personally, I think we could all stand to be less focused on the US).</p>
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		<title>By: Elly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't understand how the black/white relationship would be particularly american-centered. I think at least america, europe and africa are directly concerned with this history (which goes back to slavery, I guess). Which doesn't mean that there is not american specificities (for example it took me time to understand what you found offensive with a knot in http://blog.shrub.com/archives/category/companies-behaving-badly/disney ).

And I don't think there is only a race problem with the last two resident evil (and I didn't see the problem as race in RE4; I think the spanish-speaking/english-speaking relation ship *is* an american specificity), but also an imperialist problem: in the last 10 years, US (and some other imperialist countries) has bombed Kosovo, Afghanistan and Irak (and these are only the ones I remember) to "fight the baddies" and has bases and in a lot of countries.

So, showing a good US soldier saving alone the poor natives who can't do a thing has resonance with an imperialist behaviour that concerns most of the world (either as accomplice or as victim).

And I think it is linked to the race problem but not totally dependant : if the hero of RE5 was a black american guy saving white peopple from, e.g., eastern europe, it would still be a problem for me.

(I must say that as a western european I didn't see RE4 as much problematic on this side, since (occidental)Europe is also quite imperialistic and the implications are not exactly the same (seeing 'Europe' presented as a country and the scenarists resurrecting pesestas make me laugh more than scream angrily))

So, well, are the critics of RE5 american-centered ? I would say that in a sense, yes, but on the other hand you have to face that the rest of the world IS ALSO american-centered ("We are all living in america"), so the critics still stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand how the black/white relationship would be particularly american-centered. I think at least america, europe and africa are directly concerned with this history (which goes back to slavery, I guess). Which doesn&#8217;t mean that there is not american specificities (for example it took me time to understand what you found offensive with a knot in <a href="http://blog.shrub.com/archives/category/companies-behaving-badly/disney" rel="nofollow">http://blog.shrub.com/archives/category/companies-behaving-badly/disney</a> ).</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think there is only a race problem with the last two resident evil (and I didn&#8217;t see the problem as race in RE4; I think the spanish-speaking/english-speaking relation ship *is* an american specificity), but also an imperialist problem: in the last 10 years, US (and some other imperialist countries) has bombed Kosovo, Afghanistan and Irak (and these are only the ones I remember) to &#8220;fight the baddies&#8221; and has bases and in a lot of countries.</p>
<p>So, showing a good US soldier saving alone the poor natives who can&#8217;t do a thing has resonance with an imperialist behaviour that concerns most of the world (either as accomplice or as victim).</p>
<p>And I think it is linked to the race problem but not totally dependant : if the hero of RE5 was a black american guy saving white peopple from, e.g., eastern europe, it would still be a problem for me.</p>
<p>(I must say that as a western european I didn&#8217;t see RE4 as much problematic on this side, since (occidental)Europe is also quite imperialistic and the implications are not exactly the same (seeing &#8216;Europe&#8217; presented as a country and the scenarists resurrecting pesestas make me laugh more than scream angrily))</p>
<p>So, well, are the critics of RE5 american-centered ? I would say that in a sense, yes, but on the other hand you have to face that the rest of the world IS ALSO american-centered (&#8221;We are all living in america&#8221;), so the critics still stand.</p>
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