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		<title>By: Mer</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-06-05_717/comment-page-1#comment-171541</link>
		<dc:creator>Mer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;it’s wrong to address the concerns that in any way involve America

I do not agree with this, but it is a popular attitude from those who are focused on America as Imperialistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;it’s wrong to address the concerns that in any way involve America</p>
<p>I do not agree with this, but it is a popular attitude from those who are focused on America as Imperialistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Mer</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-06-05_717/comment-page-1#comment-171540</link>
		<dc:creator>Mer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This also seems to be pretty American centric. But by now I generally think of how the Americans view race is pretty different to the rest of the world and it is hard to view race issues from the perspective of another culture. 

I would have also enjoyed a story more based on Africans culture. The colour/race issue there does differ a lot from country to country , but there is a lot of interesting history, cultural issues and myths to draw on.

An African lead would be nice (but unlikely) but it would have been very cool to have the characters visit some famous African city&#039;s (looking like they do today, rather than 50 years ago) and have some famous and recognizable African monsters rather than back to generic zombies. 

Some topics however are way to touchy to draw on. Even if you follow the south African ideal that talking about what happened helps, I still could see many people being disturbed by large numbers of dead, if they are survivors of genocide .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This also seems to be pretty American centric. But by now I generally think of how the Americans view race is pretty different to the rest of the world and it is hard to view race issues from the perspective of another culture. </p>
<p>I would have also enjoyed a story more based on Africans culture. The colour/race issue there does differ a lot from country to country , but there is a lot of interesting history, cultural issues and myths to draw on.</p>
<p>An African lead would be nice (but unlikely) but it would have been very cool to have the characters visit some famous African city&#8217;s (looking like they do today, rather than 50 years ago) and have some famous and recognizable African monsters rather than back to generic zombies. </p>
<p>Some topics however are way to touchy to draw on. Even if you follow the south African ideal that talking about what happened helps, I still could see many people being disturbed by large numbers of dead, if they are survivors of genocide .</p>
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		<title>By: Jade Reporting &#187; 23 August</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jade Reporting &#187; 23 August</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Games Ashley’s really not that bad At this rate, there won’t be any games left for me to play Dreamfall: The Longest Journey  I may have to stop buying PC games Crecente fights the boy’s club [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Games Ashley’s really not that bad At this rate, there won’t be any games left for me to play Dreamfall: The Longest Journey  I may have to stop buying PC games Crecente fights the boy’s club [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-06-05_717/comment-page-1#comment-171048</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Sara:&lt;/b&gt; The part that says &quot;shut up you&#039;re being short sighted&quot; is where he says, &quot;...&lt;b&gt;no, Capcom should not&lt;/b&gt; ’spend like 5 seconds looking into the history of black/white relations in the US, where their protagonist is from’. &lt;b&gt;They should instead&lt;/b&gt; look into the history of Africa, instead, which is much richer in atrocities.&quot; (emphasis added)

He&#039;s not simply suggesting &quot;decentering American experience”, he&#039;s saying that it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt; to address the concerns that in any way involve America. Not only is that a horribly divisive dichotomy that reeks of &quot;the only valid analysis is my analysis&quot;, but it&#039;s also in direct violation of the dismissal clause of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.shrub.com/discussion-rules&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;discussion rules&lt;/a&gt;. Not to mention that his combative tone violates the rule that clearly states &quot;disagree, but be polite&quot;.

You&#039;re right that there&#039;s more to his statement than Happyfeet&#039;s/Degero&#039;s comment, and if they hadn&#039;t posted before him I probably &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; have taken the time to write a real post about US-centricism, fully equipped with quotes and links to discussions that address the other problems with the two trailers. But, given that he &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; come in riding the coattails of some obnoxious troll comments, I stand by my decision to lump him in with them. He is more than welcome to prove me wrong, and even to engage on a discussion in this matter &lt;b&gt;providing he doesn&#039;t continue to violate the discussion rules.&lt;/b&gt; But, I suspect he -- like Happyfeet/Degero -- was nothing but a drive-by and only wanted to &quot;show me up&quot; rather than start an actual productive discussion on the matter.

As for those who want that conversation, there is a bit of one going on in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-06-10_719&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On RE5 and claims of &quot;American-centricism&quot;&lt;/a&gt; post that I made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Sara:</b> The part that says &#8220;shut up you&#8217;re being short sighted&#8221; is where he says, &#8220;&#8230;<b>no, Capcom should not</b> ’spend like 5 seconds looking into the history of black/white relations in the US, where their protagonist is from’. <b>They should instead</b> look into the history of Africa, instead, which is much richer in atrocities.&#8221; (emphasis added)</p>
<p>He&#8217;s not simply suggesting &#8220;decentering American experience”, he&#8217;s saying that it&#8217;s <i>wrong</i> to address the concerns that in any way involve America. Not only is that a horribly divisive dichotomy that reeks of &#8220;the only valid analysis is my analysis&#8221;, but it&#8217;s also in direct violation of the dismissal clause of the <a href="http://blog.shrub.com/discussion-rules" rel="nofollow">discussion rules</a>. Not to mention that his combative tone violates the rule that clearly states &#8220;disagree, but be polite&#8221;.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that there&#8217;s more to his statement than Happyfeet&#8217;s/Degero&#8217;s comment, and if they hadn&#8217;t posted before him I probably <i>would</i> have taken the time to write a real post about US-centricism, fully equipped with quotes and links to discussions that address the other problems with the two trailers. But, given that he <i>did</i> come in riding the coattails of some obnoxious troll comments, I stand by my decision to lump him in with them. He is more than welcome to prove me wrong, and even to engage on a discussion in this matter <b>providing he doesn&#8217;t continue to violate the discussion rules.</b> But, I suspect he &#8212; like Happyfeet/Degero &#8212; was nothing but a drive-by and only wanted to &#8220;show me up&#8221; rather than start an actual productive discussion on the matter.</p>
<p>As for those who want that conversation, there is a bit of one going on in the <a href="http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-06-10_719" rel="nofollow">On RE5 and claims of &#8220;American-centricism&#8221;</a> post that I made.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara no H.</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-06-05_717/comment-page-1#comment-171047</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara no H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. I get that Alan&#039;s comment is a bit combative, but honestly?&lt;blockquote&gt;The world does NOT revolve around the US, and no, Capcom should not ’spend like 5 seconds looking into the history of black/white relations in the US, where their protagonist is from’. They should instead look into the history of Africa, instead, which is much richer in atrocities.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I think he&#039;s got a really good point here. I don&#039;t read &quot;shut up you&#039;re being short-sighted&quot; so much as &quot;this argument could be strengthened so much by decentering American experience&quot; - similar to, I suppose, the ways in which (white, middle-class) feminist analysis is enriched by decentering whiteness and middle-classness. Not that it&#039;s completely illogical to address the concerns you have regarding black/white racial issues in the US, but because it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;also&lt;/i&gt; meaningful to analyse the game from a history-of-Africa perspective too. 

I&#039;m not sure whether you&#039;re qualified to do that - I&#039;m certainly not - so (with your permission) I&#039;d love to hear more from Alan about the point he&#039;s brought up. It&#039;s clear to me that there&#039;s more to his statement than the kind of dismissive attitude you&#039;ve noted in Happyfeet&#039;s/Degero&#039;s comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. I get that Alan&#8217;s comment is a bit combative, but honestly?<br />
<blockquote>The world does NOT revolve around the US, and no, Capcom should not ’spend like 5 seconds looking into the history of black/white relations in the US, where their protagonist is from’. They should instead look into the history of Africa, instead, which is much richer in atrocities.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think he&#8217;s got a really good point here. I don&#8217;t read &#8220;shut up you&#8217;re being short-sighted&#8221; so much as &#8220;this argument could be strengthened so much by decentering American experience&#8221; &#8211; similar to, I suppose, the ways in which (white, middle-class) feminist analysis is enriched by decentering whiteness and middle-classness. Not that it&#8217;s completely illogical to address the concerns you have regarding black/white racial issues in the US, but because it&#8217;s <i>also</i> meaningful to analyse the game from a history-of-Africa perspective too. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure whether you&#8217;re qualified to do that &#8211; I&#8217;m certainly not &#8211; so (with your permission) I&#8217;d love to hear more from Alan about the point he&#8217;s brought up. It&#8217;s clear to me that there&#8217;s more to his statement than the kind of dismissive attitude you&#8217;ve noted in Happyfeet&#8217;s/Degero&#8217;s comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Here Ya Go &#171; The Essentia Sphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Here Ya Go &#171; The Essentia Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 11, 2008 at 12:57 pm (Feminism, Random, Video Games)  Thoughts on Resident Evil [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-06-05_717/comment-page-1#comment-171040</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Alyx2.0:&lt;/b&gt; I&#039;m glad that people speaking out has made an impact on you, even if it had the unfortunate side effect of causing you to decide not to buy RE5 when it comes out (believe me, I understand). As for me, unless Capcom makes amends for what&#039;s happened with RE5 (and I don&#039;t think it will), there will be no RE6, or any other game Capcom puts out, for me in the future :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Alyx2.0:</b> I&#8217;m glad that people speaking out has made an impact on you, even if it had the unfortunate side effect of causing you to decide not to buy RE5 when it comes out (believe me, I understand). As for me, unless Capcom makes amends for what&#8217;s happened with RE5 (and I don&#8217;t think it will), there will be no RE6, or any other game Capcom puts out, for me in the future <img src='http://blog.shrub.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-06-05_717/comment-page-1#comment-171038</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Alan:&lt;/b&gt; Where are you people coming from? Seriously. It seems likely that, given his e-mail domain and his IP address, Happyfeet is a sockpuppet of &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-08-08_645#comment-170980&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Degero&lt;/a&gt;, but your info and writing style seems sufficiently different for me to believe that you&#039;re a separate person. 

And yet, I can&#039;t believe that it&#039;s a coincidence that in the span of a week I would get three commenters hawking the same argument. Especially since it&#039;s an argument that hasn&#039;t cropped up in any previous discussions that I&#039;ve seen.

I&#039;m sick of catering to commenters who look very much like trolls, so &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-06-10_719&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; is my final word on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Alan:</b> Where are you people coming from? Seriously. It seems likely that, given his e-mail domain and his IP address, Happyfeet is a sockpuppet of <a href="http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-08-08_645#comment-170980" rel="nofollow">Degero</a>, but your info and writing style seems sufficiently different for me to believe that you&#8217;re a separate person. </p>
<p>And yet, I can&#8217;t believe that it&#8217;s a coincidence that in the span of a week I would get three commenters hawking the same argument. Especially since it&#8217;s an argument that hasn&#8217;t cropped up in any previous discussions that I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sick of catering to commenters who look very much like trolls, so <a href="http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-06-10_719" rel="nofollow">this</a> is my final word on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Alyx2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alyx2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh* I so wanted RE5. 

I absolutely adore RE4, it&#039;s just an amazing game, but I just can&#039;t feel anything but uncomfortable watching those trailers.

I&#039;m glad though that people actually spoke out against it. 
I honestly would&#039;ve just ignored it&#039;s problems (and resorted to the same stupid arguments that the vast majority of gamers use) and bought it otherwise.

Ahh well... there&#039;s always RE6?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh* I so wanted RE5. </p>
<p>I absolutely adore RE4, it&#8217;s just an amazing game, but I just can&#8217;t feel anything but uncomfortable watching those trailers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad though that people actually spoke out against it.<br />
I honestly would&#8217;ve just ignored it&#8217;s problems (and resorted to the same stupid arguments that the vast majority of gamers use) and bought it otherwise.</p>
<p>Ahh well&#8230; there&#8217;s always RE6?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem with this argument is the same one as when MTV Multiplayer ran the week of interviewing black people involved in games. It&#039;s the short-sightedness.

Is the trailer&#039;s imagery is problematic. Undoubtedly. But it&#039;s incredibly short-sighted, not to say missing the point, to look at that trailer and bring up AMERICAN race issues. It has nothing to do with the US, and by mentioning it you just make your argument weaker. The problem is deeper: the problem is taking Rwanda, Ethiopia, Somalia and making it a playground, of taking the hollow-eyed imagery of refugees and making them targets to blow away.

They&#039;re doing what all mainstream media does when it comes to Africa: they turn the suffering of these people into a spectacle, they remove the horror of the situation by having us stare at them like animals in a zoo, especially since Africa is so far away.

The world does NOT revolve around the US, and no, Capcom should not &#039;spend like 5 seconds looking into the history of black/white relations in the US, where their protagonist is from&#039;. They should instead look into the history of Africa, instead, which is much richer in atrocities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with this argument is the same one as when MTV Multiplayer ran the week of interviewing black people involved in games. It&#8217;s the short-sightedness.</p>
<p>Is the trailer&#8217;s imagery is problematic. Undoubtedly. But it&#8217;s incredibly short-sighted, not to say missing the point, to look at that trailer and bring up AMERICAN race issues. It has nothing to do with the US, and by mentioning it you just make your argument weaker. The problem is deeper: the problem is taking Rwanda, Ethiopia, Somalia and making it a playground, of taking the hollow-eyed imagery of refugees and making them targets to blow away.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re doing what all mainstream media does when it comes to Africa: they turn the suffering of these people into a spectacle, they remove the horror of the situation by having us stare at them like animals in a zoo, especially since Africa is so far away.</p>
<p>The world does NOT revolve around the US, and no, Capcom should not &#8217;spend like 5 seconds looking into the history of black/white relations in the US, where their protagonist is from&#8217;. They should instead look into the history of Africa, instead, which is much richer in atrocities.</p>
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