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	<title>Comments on: Shame on you, BBC</title>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711/comment-page-1#comment-171602</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got a very similar response from the BBC after complaining about rape jokes on &#039;Mock the Week&#039;. It read like a generic reply sent out to every complaint about the programme.

It might be too late for this issue, but sending complaints to Ofcom as well as the BBC is a good idea, and is more likely to get a useful result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a very similar response from the BBC after complaining about rape jokes on &#8216;Mock the Week&#8217;. It read like a generic reply sent out to every complaint about the programme.</p>
<p>It might be too late for this issue, but sending complaints to Ofcom as well as the BBC is a good idea, and is more likely to get a useful result.</p>
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		<title>By: That joke isn’t funny any more &#171; bird of paradox</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711/comment-page-1#comment-170914</link>
		<dc:creator>That joke isn’t funny any more &#171; bird of paradox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 09:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I’ve just read this post by Tekanji over at the Official Shrub.com Blog. Tekanji says, &#8220;The BBC has chosen to defend [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I’ve just read this post by Tekanji over at the Official Shrub.com Blog. Tekanji says, &#8220;The BBC has chosen to defend [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711/comment-page-1#comment-170909</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 02:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, BBC.  Intent != Effect.  Epic, &lt;em&gt;epic&lt;/em&gt; FAIL.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is a step below “I’m sorry that you were offended” for me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly, myst3kpyro.  The form of an apology without the substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, BBC.  Intent != Effect.  Epic, <em>epic</em> FAIL.</p>
<blockquote><p>This is a step below “I’m sorry that you were offended” for me.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly, myst3kpyro.  The form of an apology without the substance.</p>
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		<title>By: myst3kpyro</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711/comment-page-1#comment-170899</link>
		<dc:creator>myst3kpyro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 16:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I understand that you were unhappy because you felt that the presenter made offensive comments about Thomas Beatie.&quot;
This is a step below &quot;I&#039;m sorry that you were offended&quot; for me.
It&#039;s a perfect example of weasel words (unhappy [try outraged], you felt). I hate apologies that make it entirely our fault, for not swallowing the bile and laughing at the joke, for bothering to speak up.
Agh. I&#039;m going to go write the BBC a letter when my head stops exploding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I understand that you were unhappy because you felt that the presenter made offensive comments about Thomas Beatie.&#8221;<br />
This is a step below &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry that you were offended&#8221; for me.<br />
It&#8217;s a perfect example of weasel words (unhappy [try outraged], you felt). I hate apologies that make it entirely our fault, for not swallowing the bile and laughing at the joke, for bothering to speak up.<br />
Agh. I&#8217;m going to go write the BBC a letter when my head stops exploding.</p>
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		<title>By: Angeline</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711/comment-page-1#comment-170870</link>
		<dc:creator>Angeline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that writing is still the most effective way to state a complaint. It involves more effort; it&#039;s harder to ignore than something from petitionline, and it&#039;s more formal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that writing is still the most effective way to state a complaint. It involves more effort; it&#8217;s harder to ignore than something from petitionline, and it&#8217;s more formal.</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711/comment-page-1#comment-170862</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Kyrar:&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder if something along the lines of a petition would have any effect?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmm, maybe. Sending complaints might work better, though. And, of course, passing along the story :) If the BBC feels that supporting stuff like that will lead to tangible damage to their reputation then they might change their tune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Kyrar:</b></p>
<blockquote><p>I wonder if something along the lines of a petition would have any effect?</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm, maybe. Sending complaints might work better, though. And, of course, passing along the story <img src='http://blog.shrub.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  If the BBC feels that supporting stuff like that will lead to tangible damage to their reputation then they might change their tune.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Guy</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711/comment-page-1#comment-170860</link>
		<dc:creator>Some Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it&#039;s only the ratings that can decide the outcome of this. If the show&#039;s ratings go down, then other shows will learn that they can&#039;t do stuff like that.

Private companies also have the option of holding back their ad money, if they spend any on this show.

If the show can continue to get ratings/ad money then our complaints are neutralized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it&#8217;s only the ratings that can decide the outcome of this. If the show&#8217;s ratings go down, then other shows will learn that they can&#8217;t do stuff like that.</p>
<p>Private companies also have the option of holding back their ad money, if they spend any on this show.</p>
<p>If the show can continue to get ratings/ad money then our complaints are neutralized.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyrar</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711/comment-page-1#comment-170859</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t the first time the BBC&#039;s tossed out that kind of non-apology, either - they stuck up for Radio 1 DJ Chris Moyles when he was criticised on his use of &#039;gay&#039; as a slur a couple of years ago, excusing it with &quot;the word has come to mean &#039;lame&#039; or &#039;rubbish&#039; amongst young people&quot; (never mind that using &lt;i&gt;lame&lt;/i&gt; to mean &#039;bad&#039; is just as problematic, and young &lt;i&gt;queer&lt;/i&gt; people apparently don&#039;t count...) Their higher-ups really, really don&#039;t seem to care at all, as a rule. I&#039;m disgusted beyond belief that they&#039;re defending Graham Norton in this.

They&#039;re dismissing people&#039;s complaints because they&#039;re absolutely secure in the knowledge that they&#039;ll get away with it, is what infuriates me the most. I wonder if something along the lines of a petition would have any effect? I&#039;ll definitely be making all the potentially-sympathetic BBC watchers I know aware of this, at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t the first time the BBC&#8217;s tossed out that kind of non-apology, either &#8211; they stuck up for Radio 1 DJ Chris Moyles when he was criticised on his use of &#8216;gay&#8217; as a slur a couple of years ago, excusing it with &#8220;the word has come to mean &#8216;lame&#8217; or &#8216;rubbish&#8217; amongst young people&#8221; (never mind that using <i>lame</i> to mean &#8216;bad&#8217; is just as problematic, and young <i>queer</i> people apparently don&#8217;t count&#8230;) Their higher-ups really, really don&#8217;t seem to care at all, as a rule. I&#8217;m disgusted beyond belief that they&#8217;re defending Graham Norton in this.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re dismissing people&#8217;s complaints because they&#8217;re absolutely secure in the knowledge that they&#8217;ll get away with it, is what infuriates me the most. I wonder if something along the lines of a petition would have any effect? I&#8217;ll definitely be making all the potentially-sympathetic BBC watchers I know aware of this, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimiko</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711/comment-page-1#comment-170858</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch, that is so hurtful.

I don&#039;t like to watch &#039;comedy&#039; that makes fun of people anyway, but my impression of the BBC just got dented badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch, that is so hurtful.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like to watch &#8216;comedy&#8217; that makes fun of people anyway, but my impression of the BBC just got dented badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711/comment-page-1#comment-170857</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if someone attempted to make a racist joke, would they then defend that?  God damn that&#039;s sickening, BBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if someone attempted to make a racist joke, would they then defend that?  God damn that&#8217;s sickening, BBC.</p>
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