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	<title>Comments on: Shame on you, BBC</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kirsten</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711#comment-171602</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got a very similar response from the BBC after complaining about rape jokes on 'Mock the Week'. It read like a generic reply sent out to every complaint about the programme.

It might be too late for this issue, but sending complaints to Ofcom as well as the BBC is a good idea, and is more likely to get a useful result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a very similar response from the BBC after complaining about rape jokes on &#8216;Mock the Week&#8217;. It read like a generic reply sent out to every complaint about the programme.</p>
<p>It might be too late for this issue, but sending complaints to Ofcom as well as the BBC is a good idea, and is more likely to get a useful result.</p>
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		<title>By: That joke isn’t funny any more &#171; bird of paradox</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711#comment-170914</link>
		<dc:creator>That joke isn’t funny any more &#171; bird of paradox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 09:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I’ve just read this post by Tekanji over at the Official Shrub.com Blog. Tekanji says, &#8220;The BBC has chosen to defend [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I’ve just read this post by Tekanji over at the Official Shrub.com Blog. Tekanji says, &#8220;The BBC has chosen to defend [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711#comment-170909</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 02:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, BBC.  Intent != Effect.  Epic, &lt;em&gt;epic&lt;/em&gt; FAIL.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is a step below “I’m sorry that you were offended” for me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly, myst3kpyro.  The form of an apology without the substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, BBC.  Intent != Effect.  Epic, <em>epic</em> FAIL.</p>
<blockquote><p>This is a step below “I’m sorry that you were offended” for me.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly, myst3kpyro.  The form of an apology without the substance.</p>
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		<title>By: myst3kpyro</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711#comment-170899</link>
		<dc:creator>myst3kpyro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 16:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I understand that you were unhappy because you felt that the presenter made offensive comments about Thomas Beatie."
This is a step below "I'm sorry that you were offended" for me.
It's a perfect example of weasel words (unhappy [try outraged], you felt). I hate apologies that make it entirely our fault, for not swallowing the bile and laughing at the joke, for bothering to speak up.
Agh. I'm going to go write the BBC a letter when my head stops exploding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I understand that you were unhappy because you felt that the presenter made offensive comments about Thomas Beatie.&#8221;<br />
This is a step below &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry that you were offended&#8221; for me.<br />
It&#8217;s a perfect example of weasel words (unhappy [try outraged], you felt). I hate apologies that make it entirely our fault, for not swallowing the bile and laughing at the joke, for bothering to speak up.<br />
Agh. I&#8217;m going to go write the BBC a letter when my head stops exploding.</p>
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		<title>By: Angeline</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711#comment-170870</link>
		<dc:creator>Angeline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that writing is still the most effective way to state a complaint. It involves more effort; it's harder to ignore than something from petitionline, and it's more formal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that writing is still the most effective way to state a complaint. It involves more effort; it&#8217;s harder to ignore than something from petitionline, and it&#8217;s more formal.</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711#comment-170862</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Kyrar:&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder if something along the lines of a petition would have any effect?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmm, maybe. Sending complaints might work better, though. And, of course, passing along the story :) If the BBC feels that supporting stuff like that will lead to tangible damage to their reputation then they might change their tune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Kyrar:</b></p>
<blockquote><p>I wonder if something along the lines of a petition would have any effect?</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm, maybe. Sending complaints might work better, though. And, of course, passing along the story <img src='http://blog.shrub.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> If the BBC feels that supporting stuff like that will lead to tangible damage to their reputation then they might change their tune.</p>
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		<title>By: Some Guy</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711#comment-170860</link>
		<dc:creator>Some Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess it's only the ratings that can decide the outcome of this. If the show's ratings go down, then other shows will learn that they can't do stuff like that.

Private companies also have the option of holding back their ad money, if they spend any on this show.

If the show can continue to get ratings/ad money then our complaints are neutralized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess it&#8217;s only the ratings that can decide the outcome of this. If the show&#8217;s ratings go down, then other shows will learn that they can&#8217;t do stuff like that.</p>
<p>Private companies also have the option of holding back their ad money, if they spend any on this show.</p>
<p>If the show can continue to get ratings/ad money then our complaints are neutralized.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyrar</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711#comment-170859</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn't the first time the BBC's tossed out that kind of non-apology, either - they stuck up for Radio 1 DJ Chris Moyles when he was criticised on his use of 'gay' as a slur a couple of years ago, excusing it with "the word has come to mean 'lame' or 'rubbish' amongst young people" (never mind that using &lt;i&gt;lame&lt;/i&gt; to mean 'bad' is just as problematic, and young &lt;i&gt;queer&lt;/i&gt; people apparently don't count...) Their higher-ups really, really don't seem to care at all, as a rule. I'm disgusted beyond belief that they're defending Graham Norton in this.

They're dismissing people's complaints because they're absolutely secure in the knowledge that they'll get away with it, is what infuriates me the most. I wonder if something along the lines of a petition would have any effect? I'll definitely be making all the potentially-sympathetic BBC watchers I know aware of this, at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t the first time the BBC&#8217;s tossed out that kind of non-apology, either - they stuck up for Radio 1 DJ Chris Moyles when he was criticised on his use of &#8216;gay&#8217; as a slur a couple of years ago, excusing it with &#8220;the word has come to mean &#8216;lame&#8217; or &#8216;rubbish&#8217; amongst young people&#8221; (never mind that using <i>lame</i> to mean &#8216;bad&#8217; is just as problematic, and young <i>queer</i> people apparently don&#8217;t count&#8230;) Their higher-ups really, really don&#8217;t seem to care at all, as a rule. I&#8217;m disgusted beyond belief that they&#8217;re defending Graham Norton in this.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re dismissing people&#8217;s complaints because they&#8217;re absolutely secure in the knowledge that they&#8217;ll get away with it, is what infuriates me the most. I wonder if something along the lines of a petition would have any effect? I&#8217;ll definitely be making all the potentially-sympathetic BBC watchers I know aware of this, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimiko</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711#comment-170858</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch, that is so hurtful.

I don't like to watch 'comedy' that makes fun of people anyway, but my impression of the BBC just got dented badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch, that is so hurtful.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like to watch &#8216;comedy&#8217; that makes fun of people anyway, but my impression of the BBC just got dented badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2008-04-24_711#comment-170857</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if someone attempted to make a racist joke, would they then defend that?  God damn that's sickening, BBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if someone attempted to make a racist joke, would they then defend that?  God damn that&#8217;s sickening, BBC.</p>
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