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		<title>By: Sostenuto</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-07-24_634#comment-171441</link>
		<dc:creator>Sostenuto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tekanji, would you mind deleting the link to adpulp.com in my previous post? On reflection I really don't think the offensive ad in question needs further circulation, especially not in this forum. 

I do apologise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tekanji, would you mind deleting the link to adpulp.com in my previous post? On reflection I really don&#8217;t think the offensive ad in question needs further circulation, especially not in this forum. </p>
<p>I do apologise.</p>
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		<title>By: Sostenuto</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-07-24_634#comment-171440</link>
		<dc:creator>Sostenuto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post-feminist - is that an upright stick that is fully equal to a man?

Post-feminist society - surely a misnomer. Was there ever a time when feminism commanded a majority? "I'll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy." (http://www.now.org/store/images/items/bs-pfpp.jpg)

 "Post-feminist? You say that like feminism was a BAD thing!"

Post-feminist? You mean JBL men have found something new to look at?  (&lt;b&gt;[Link removed at author's request]&lt;/b&gt;)

Individuals who have sufficient power might identify as 'post-feminist', i.e. disengaged from issues of disadvantage; this is not particularly a reason to respect their luck or achievement, nor to assume that it is shared by society at large. (e.g. http://mamaneedsabookcontract.blogspot.com/2007/08/ill-be-post-feminist-in-post-patriarchy.html)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post-feminist - is that an upright stick that is fully equal to a man?</p>
<p>Post-feminist society - surely a misnomer. Was there ever a time when feminism commanded a majority? &#8220;I&#8217;ll be Post-Feminist in a Post-Patriarchy.&#8221; (http://www.now.org/store/images/items/bs-pfpp.jpg)</p>
<p> &#8220;Post-feminist? You say that like feminism was a BAD thing!&#8221;</p>
<p>Post-feminist? You mean JBL men have found something new to look at?  (<b>[Link removed at author's request]</b>)</p>
<p>Individuals who have sufficient power might identify as &#8216;post-feminist&#8217;, i.e. disengaged from issues of disadvantage; this is not particularly a reason to respect their luck or achievement, nor to assume that it is shared by society at large. (e.g. <a href="http://mamaneedsabookcontract.blogspot.com/2007/08/ill-be-post-feminist-in-post-patriarchy.html" rel="nofollow">http://mamaneedsabookcontract.blogspot.com/2007/08/ill-be-post-feminist-in-post-patriarchy.html</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with this argument. It is the same as those that are trying to sell us on the idea that we are living in a post racial world. It is an attempt to cover for the fact that people have learned to be visible in the bigotry but the discrimination still goes on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this argument. It is the same as those that are trying to sell us on the idea that we are living in a post racial world. It is an attempt to cover for the fact that people have learned to be visible in the bigotry but the discrimination still goes on.</p>
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		<title>By: Ind</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-07-24_634#comment-142560</link>
		<dc:creator>Ind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm an Indian guy .. and I have no problems with feminism where women are treated as equal to men . They shouldn't be oppressed in any way.

But a few women have become radical and they are too difficult for relationships. I broke up with a post-feminist woman , who doesn't want to accept responsibilities for her behavior or actions. It is really surprising that post feminists ( some of them) are too difficult and yet present themselves as "victims" . What i realized is that I would be happy with a woman who is feminine rather than a feminist , who is caring and respectable and who can be my equal in every way i can think of.

Most post feminist woman are like the ones in the tv show "sex and the city" . Many have them have been "used" by men.Women have begun to think its ok to be promiscuous ( remember they are liberated and free to choose who they will have sex with) and such women are likely to be single moms of the future ... whose kids are going to be fucked up..and its going to be a cycle.

Women are superior than men in many areas where men wont match up to them . Nature created women and assigned the role of a caregiver to women, who give birth , take care of young and other people. Women also have more empathy compared to men. 

I think in today's world , women are increasingly mislead by post-feminist propaganda that they are oppressed and so on, thus driving them away from their primary role of a caregiver as they were  since 100000 BC or earlier. This system won't work and will fail sooner or later as its against the laws of nature. I would be interested to hear others' opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an Indian guy .. and I have no problems with feminism where women are treated as equal to men . They shouldn&#8217;t be oppressed in any way.</p>
<p>But a few women have become radical and they are too difficult for relationships. I broke up with a post-feminist woman , who doesn&#8217;t want to accept responsibilities for her behavior or actions. It is really surprising that post feminists ( some of them) are too difficult and yet present themselves as &#8220;victims&#8221; . What i realized is that I would be happy with a woman who is feminine rather than a feminist , who is caring and respectable and who can be my equal in every way i can think of.</p>
<p>Most post feminist woman are like the ones in the tv show &#8220;sex and the city&#8221; . Many have them have been &#8220;used&#8221; by men.Women have begun to think its ok to be promiscuous ( remember they are liberated and free to choose who they will have sex with) and such women are likely to be single moms of the future &#8230; whose kids are going to be fucked up..and its going to be a cycle.</p>
<p>Women are superior than men in many areas where men wont match up to them . Nature created women and assigned the role of a caregiver to women, who give birth , take care of young and other people. Women also have more empathy compared to men. </p>
<p>I think in today&#8217;s world , women are increasingly mislead by post-feminist propaganda that they are oppressed and so on, thus driving them away from their primary role of a caregiver as they were  since 100000 BC or earlier. This system won&#8217;t work and will fail sooner or later as its against the laws of nature. I would be interested to hear others&#8217; opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: FAQ: What is &#8220;Post-feminism&#8221;? &#171; Finally, A Feminism 101 Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>FAQ: What is &#8220;Post-feminism&#8221;? &#171; Finally, A Feminism 101 Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 06:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nic,

There's a book you want. It's called &lt;i&gt;Privilege, Power, and Difference&lt;/i&gt; and it has a pretty good explanation for where privilege originates in a social setting. The author's name is Allan G. Johnson (yes, a straight white guy, writing about social inequality -- imagine that!) and I'm betting it's either at your local library or your local bookstore. 

tekanji,

Further thoughts: it sounds vaguely like an insult. I keep catching the title of this post and find myself wanting to type back furiously, "your &lt;i&gt;face&lt;/i&gt; is post-feminist". Although I like Eric's explanation best, I think; it makes more sense in a futuristic fictional context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nic,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a book you want. It&#8217;s called <i>Privilege, Power, and Difference</i> and it has a pretty good explanation for where privilege originates in a social setting. The author&#8217;s name is Allan G. Johnson (yes, a straight white guy, writing about social inequality &#8212; imagine that!) and I&#8217;m betting it&#8217;s either at your local library or your local bookstore. </p>
<p>tekanji,</p>
<p>Further thoughts: it sounds vaguely like an insult. I keep catching the title of this post and find myself wanting to type back furiously, &#8220;your <i>face</i> is post-feminist&#8221;. Although I like Eric&#8217;s explanation best, I think; it makes more sense in a futuristic fictional context.</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
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		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 03:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Eric:&lt;/b&gt; I think that if its origins weren't associated with anti-feminism it would be easier to take it in the sense that you describe. I do think, however, that there may be times in which it is used as a theoretical framework that fits your description. I still have some research to do in the area until I can be more sure, though.

&lt;b&gt;Nic:&lt;/b&gt; Post-feminism and the concept of privilege are only tangentially linked, so I think it would be off-topic to try to discuss it there. As for another post either here or there about the origins of privilege... while I think it's a great idea, unfortunately I think to do that would require research more suited to academia, or the very least research by someone with access to an academic library.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Eric:</b> I think that if its origins weren&#8217;t associated with anti-feminism it would be easier to take it in the sense that you describe. I do think, however, that there may be times in which it is used as a theoretical framework that fits your description. I still have some research to do in the area until I can be more sure, though.</p>
<p><b>Nic:</b> Post-feminism and the concept of privilege are only tangentially linked, so I think it would be off-topic to try to discuss it there. As for another post either here or there about the origins of privilege&#8230; while I think it&#8217;s a great idea, unfortunately I think to do that would require research more suited to academia, or the very least research by someone with access to an academic library.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-07-24_634#comment-99628</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tekanji: Please, if you would, include the origins of privilege and how it forms amongst societies. If that happens to be within the scope of it. So far I've only been able to find content on effects and use of it, but not how it originates. I think it would help more if that were included or more prevalent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tekanji: Please, if you would, include the origins of privilege and how it forms amongst societies. If that happens to be within the scope of it. So far I&#8217;ve only been able to find content on effects and use of it, but not how it originates. I think it would help more if that were included or more prevalent.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometimes use this term in a pop-culture sense, and I'd never use it to describe an era or a person, but maybe to describe the point-of-view or fictional world of something like the new Battlestar Galactica, or maybe the comic book Alias. The work (or criticism/review) would clearly assume that the broad objectives of feminism have clearly been integrated into the work, and are assumed to be self-evident, and the work requires that the audience take them as a given, without those objectives being the subject or intended subtext of the work. 

I'd compare it to a construction like "post-Marvel comics", "post-Copernican", "post-Civil Rights" or yes, "post-democracy", which doesn't mean to me "after democracy has gone away".

I'd never thought of it before as an anti-feminist smack-down, but I can see how one (well, many) would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes use this term in a pop-culture sense, and I&#8217;d never use it to describe an era or a person, but maybe to describe the point-of-view or fictional world of something like the new Battlestar Galactica, or maybe the comic book Alias. The work (or criticism/review) would clearly assume that the broad objectives of feminism have clearly been integrated into the work, and are assumed to be self-evident, and the work requires that the audience take them as a given, without those objectives being the subject or intended subtext of the work. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d compare it to a construction like &#8220;post-Marvel comics&#8221;, &#8220;post-Copernican&#8221;, &#8220;post-Civil Rights&#8221; or yes, &#8220;post-democracy&#8221;, which doesn&#8217;t mean to me &#8220;after democracy has gone away&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d never thought of it before as an anti-feminist smack-down, but I can see how one (well, many) would.</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-07-24_634#comment-99442</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Nic:&lt;/b&gt; Except in the case of post-feminism, it's more than just "feminism has had its height" and expressly "feminism is dead, so get over it already". BetaCandy actually got the general impression that many of the visible post-feminists give off when they talk about women.

Like I said, I'm working on a post for the feminism 101 blog about this, which will go into more detail about the origins and ideology of the movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Nic:</b> Except in the case of post-feminism, it&#8217;s more than just &#8220;feminism has had its height&#8221; and expressly &#8220;feminism is dead, so get over it already&#8221;. BetaCandy actually got the general impression that many of the visible post-feminists give off when they talk about women.</p>
<p>Like I said, I&#8217;m working on a post for the feminism 101 blog about this, which will go into more detail about the origins and ideology of the movement.</p>
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