Comments on: Male normativity in the usage of “homosexual” and “gay”

By: Denise

Denise — Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:53:56 +0000

The use of gay, homosexual, and lesbian as nouns infuriates me. I think these words can only be properly used as adjectives, at which point we can use gendered or non-gendered nouns, like “gay men and women” (as you wrote above) or “homosexual students”. It can still be misused to carry gender (for example, “gay and lesbian students”), but I think that goes a long way toward 1) decreasing the perception that being queer defines who we are entirey, and 2) combating this idea that we’re always talking about the men.

By: tekanji

tekanji — Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:48:56 +0000

I think the reason why “and lesbian” is included is that a lot of times if you don’t mention lesbians when you discuss homosexuality people simply assume that you’re discussing only men.

Right, but saying “and lesbian” after “homosexual” only reinforces that. What they should have done would be to say one of the following: “gay men and lesbians”, “homosexual men and women”, “gay men and women” (well, I’d love for them to say “women and men” sometimes, but I know that’s asking too much).

Obviously the content of the story is also an important part of why the inequalities continue to be perpetuated, but language is also a contributing factor, and one that is often overlooked or downplayed in order to focus on the “big” stuff. If people saw lesbians (and the other lesser recognized parts of the queer “hierarchy”, as it were) as full-fledged members of the queer community, then maybe more of them would get up in arms about the way that we’re marginalized in the news.

By: Godless Heathen

Godless Heathen — Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:36:07 +0000

I think the reason why “and lesbian” is included is that a lot of times if you don’t mention lesbians when you discuss homosexuality people simply assume that you’re discussing only men. This is the type of mindset that turns GLBTQ into not just a descriptive acronym for a group, but a pecking order. Gay men are the most visible because the culture values men, lesbians next, bisexuals and transgendered people when the media wants to wag its finger in some way, and queer and questioning people almost never unless you’re running some sort of shock value article. In order for women to have any visibility, we unfortunately have to be mentioned as separate entities. I actually prefer it to “oh, you know we meant you too” and then the media never focuses on anyone but gay men.

But then, I’m queer, so maybe I don’t get a say. The day they admit that sexuality and relationships are fluid and not something you check off on a form is the day you’ll be able to knock me over with a feather.

By: ash

ash — Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:30:17 +0000

Hmm. I don’t mind if all queer people are referred to collectively as homosexuals.

However, I do find the term ‘gay women’ annoying. I mean, do you hear male homosexuals referred to as ‘lesbian men’? I’m not a gay woman. I am a dyke. Or a lesbian.

Maybe we should call all homosexual people lesbians? Come on, the boys will know it includes them, too!

By: BetaCandy

BetaCandy — Thu, 31 May 2007 21:43:36 +0000

I’ve never understood the need to separate female and male homosexuals in discussion unless you are specifically referring just to one gender. There’s no special word for heterosexual or bi-sexual women, after all.

By: Darth Sidhe

Darth Sidhe — Thu, 31 May 2007 07:37:37 +0000

“Homosexual and lesbian” pops up so often in news articles that I practically have a form letter to send editors when I see it.

By: Sara

Sara — Thu, 31 May 2007 01:38:52 +0000

That’s part of the reason I prefer the word queer; I usually hear it used not only to refer to people of non-normative sexuality, but also in reference to non-normative gender identification. It feels much less constrictive than “gay” or “homosexual”.