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	<title>Comments on: Another Not-So-Bad GF List</title>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-03-09_555/comment-page-1#comment-43035</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrea, I hope my friend doesn&#039;t get mad at me for posting this without asking her, but she made such a good point that I thought that even though this isn&#039;t my interest or cup of tea and I wouldn&#039;t be any good at doing it myself, perhaps I might motivate someone to take on the project:&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;A recent Shrub post discusses a few flaws in a mostly-good &#039;how to get your girlfriend to play video games&#039; tutorial. These are all well and good, but am I the only one who feels like this time could have been put to better use by just *editing the damn wiki* so it doesn&#039;t have those problems anymore?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea, I hope my friend doesn&#8217;t get mad at me for posting this without asking her, but she made such a good point that I thought that even though this isn&#8217;t my interest or cup of tea and I wouldn&#8217;t be any good at doing it myself, perhaps I might motivate someone to take on the project:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;A recent Shrub post discusses a few flaws in a mostly-good &#8216;how to get your girlfriend to play video games&#8217; tutorial. These are all well and good, but am I the only one who feels like this time could have been put to better use by just *editing the damn wiki* so it doesn&#8217;t have those problems anymore?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-03-09_555/comment-page-1#comment-42698</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Jona:&lt;/b&gt; I think you hit the nail on the head; the kind of gamer who typically seeks out girlfriend lists &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; ignorant and selfish. They want a girl who will do everything they want to do, have sex when they want to, and then when they want to game leave them alone until they&#039;re ready to do something else that involves her. That&#039;s why the lists are constantly written as they are; they cater to the myth that you can do this to your girlfriend and 1) not be an abuser, and 2) she&#039;ll do exactly what you want because the hypothetical girlfriend in most lists (and most of these kind of gamers&#039; minds) has no agency of her own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Jona:</b> I think you hit the nail on the head; the kind of gamer who typically seeks out girlfriend lists <i>is</i> ignorant and selfish. They want a girl who will do everything they want to do, have sex when they want to, and then when they want to game leave them alone until they&#8217;re ready to do something else that involves her. That&#8217;s why the lists are constantly written as they are; they cater to the myth that you can do this to your girlfriend and 1) not be an abuser, and 2) she&#8217;ll do exactly what you want because the hypothetical girlfriend in most lists (and most of these kind of gamers&#8217; minds) has no agency of her own.</p>
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		<title>By: Jona</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-03-09_555/comment-page-1#comment-42580</link>
		<dc:creator>Jona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How wonderfully ironic that all the information from that list was common sense to me already, without the aid of a &quot;get your girlfriend into gaming&quot; list. Yet for the life of me I dont seem to meet any girls who game/could be persuaded to game, let alone into a situation where we could become friends. I agree that it could have been worse, but I spent most of my time reading through that thinking &quot;is this supposed to be a revelation to me?&quot;. Maybe Im wrong for taking it this way, but its written for a male gamer and written like said male gamer is stupid/ignorant/selfish. Though I suppose I have no reason to complain, as I said its not like I need this list, even if I did want to introduce a friend or partner into gaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How wonderfully ironic that all the information from that list was common sense to me already, without the aid of a &#8220;get your girlfriend into gaming&#8221; list. Yet for the life of me I dont seem to meet any girls who game/could be persuaded to game, let alone into a situation where we could become friends. I agree that it could have been worse, but I spent most of my time reading through that thinking &#8220;is this supposed to be a revelation to me?&#8221;. Maybe Im wrong for taking it this way, but its written for a male gamer and written like said male gamer is stupid/ignorant/selfish. Though I suppose I have no reason to complain, as I said its not like I need this list, even if I did want to introduce a friend or partner into gaming.</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-03-09_555/comment-page-1#comment-42342</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 03:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;DS said:&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;I think itâ€™s evidence as yet another way in which I fail at being a woman that I absolutely and utterly despise shopping.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, it&#039;s evidence as yet another way in which the stereotypes about women fail real women in that there are many women who feel exactly the way you do.

&lt;b&gt;Sara:&lt;/b&gt; Oh, yeah, that&#039;s a really good point. I think I&#039;ve become so sensitive to the people who can only see criticism in what I say and ignore that I also point out good things, that I&#039;ve fallen into the same trap I warned against in this post: giving things a pass because the overall message isn&#039;t bad.</description>
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<blockquote><p>I think itâ€™s evidence as yet another way in which I fail at being a woman that I absolutely and utterly despise shopping.</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, it&#8217;s evidence as yet another way in which the stereotypes about women fail real women in that there are many women who feel exactly the way you do.</p>
<p><b>Sara:</b> Oh, yeah, that&#8217;s a really good point. I think I&#8217;ve become so sensitive to the people who can only see criticism in what I say and ignore that I also point out good things, that I&#8217;ve fallen into the same trap I warned against in this post: giving things a pass because the overall message isn&#8217;t bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-03-09_555/comment-page-1#comment-42340</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 03:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to agree with you for the most part, but I don&#039;t like that games like FPS are presented as some kind of all-time gaming achievement (i.e. &quot;If you can get a girl who started out with no interest in video games to enjoy a co-op shooter, you&#039;ve done well, exceedingly well.&quot;). It just seems that they&#039;re breaking games down into gender stereotypes that are just as bad, like Mario games are for girls but &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; (male) gamers play &lt;i&gt;Halo&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Grand Theft Auto&lt;/i&gt;. That bit rather left a sour taste in my mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to agree with you for the most part, but I don&#8217;t like that games like FPS are presented as some kind of all-time gaming achievement (i.e. &#8220;If you can get a girl who started out with no interest in video games to enjoy a co-op shooter, you&#8217;ve done well, exceedingly well.&#8221;). It just seems that they&#8217;re breaking games down into gender stereotypes that are just as bad, like Mario games are for girls but <i>real</i> (male) gamers play <i>Halo</i> and <i>Grand Theft Auto</i>. That bit rather left a sour taste in my mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: Darth Sidhe</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-03-09_555/comment-page-1#comment-42339</link>
		<dc:creator>Darth Sidhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 03:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s evidence as yet another way in which I fail at being a woman that I absolutely and utterly despise shopping.  Unless it&#039;s for camera/computer accessories and I have a lot of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s evidence as yet another way in which I fail at being a woman that I absolutely and utterly despise shopping.  Unless it&#8217;s for camera/computer accessories and I have a lot of money.</p>
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		<title>By: Jade Reporting &#187; Blog Archive &#187; March 10</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-03-09_555/comment-page-1#comment-42337</link>
		<dc:creator>Jade Reporting &#187; Blog Archive &#187; March 10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 03:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How to Get Your Girlfriend to Play Video Games You can do it! Another Not-So-Bad GF List [...]</description>
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