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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-01-01_493/comment-page-1#comment-172361</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to strongly disagree that women are badly portrayed in this movie, as pretty much all the main characters are female and they run the gamot of good, bad, and somewhere in between. Saying &#039;women are responsible for all the problems&#039; is absolutely ridiculous because all the characters are female in the first place. Rose is a woman, and she fights tirelessly for her child. Yeah, she helped Alessa to get her revenge, but she also agreed to be Alessa&#039;s new mom after the soul recombined and Alessa was reborn into Sharon&#039;s body. Cybil was also a woman, but she was considered to be a hero. She had saved a child thrown down a mine vent, she saved Rose several times, she stood up to the cultists- even in her last minutes, she comforted a frightened Sharon, though she didn&#039;t have to. All this makes it appear that your attempt to claim the movie casts women in a bad light are just complaining for the sake of complaining and looking for insult where there is none.
I also find it funny that you base a lot of this stuff on Alessa making a deal with the &quot;devil&quot;. According to the director, the movie isn&#039;t Christian and is based on the idea that people have aspects of both a god and a devil within them. Metaphorically, the creepy little girl represents the devil- and Sharon is supposed to represent God. But literally, there is no devil seen anywhere in the movie- just the manifestation of the dark side of Alessa&#039;s soul. At the end, Rose takes home a recombined version of Alessa to raise her as her own child, a pretty heroic thing to do if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to strongly disagree that women are badly portrayed in this movie, as pretty much all the main characters are female and they run the gamot of good, bad, and somewhere in between. Saying &#8216;women are responsible for all the problems&#8217; is absolutely ridiculous because all the characters are female in the first place. Rose is a woman, and she fights tirelessly for her child. Yeah, she helped Alessa to get her revenge, but she also agreed to be Alessa&#8217;s new mom after the soul recombined and Alessa was reborn into Sharon&#8217;s body. Cybil was also a woman, but she was considered to be a hero. She had saved a child thrown down a mine vent, she saved Rose several times, she stood up to the cultists- even in her last minutes, she comforted a frightened Sharon, though she didn&#8217;t have to. All this makes it appear that your attempt to claim the movie casts women in a bad light are just complaining for the sake of complaining and looking for insult where there is none.<br />
I also find it funny that you base a lot of this stuff on Alessa making a deal with the &#8220;devil&#8221;. According to the director, the movie isn&#8217;t Christian and is based on the idea that people have aspects of both a god and a devil within them. Metaphorically, the creepy little girl represents the devil- and Sharon is supposed to represent God. But literally, there is no devil seen anywhere in the movie- just the manifestation of the dark side of Alessa&#8217;s soul. At the end, Rose takes home a recombined version of Alessa to raise her as her own child, a pretty heroic thing to do if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Klemczewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Klemczewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make some interesting points.  I literally just finished a second viewing of silent hill 10 minutes ago.  I disagree with the conclusion immensely.  For starters the film is really incompetent and strives to be nothing more than an artful blockbuster.  I agree that the women were not written with much regard but  what was in that film?  I hate to shout double standard but quite frankly you can apply what you said about this film to any film really.  For example, let&#039;s switch it around.  How many films are men the evil ones and responsible for the horrible things that happen?  They&#039;re countless, and no one says a word about it.  Look at Dr. Strangelove, here is a film contains almost all men, they&#039;re either insane or so stupid that they cause the end of the world.  Women have had terrible treatment in hollywood in terms of film roles.  But really Silent Hill is about a weak of an example as anything i&#039;ve ever heard.  Silent Hill as a film doesn&#039;t really seem to recognize what is good or evil.  We know the monsters and the cult are evil but the main character unleashes the monsters on the cult so she&#039;s guilty too.  But is staying in the hell dimension really a direct punishment of bringing alessa to them?  Would she have been able to get out if she did nothing?  It&#039;s a bit presumptuous to say being trapped in the dimension was punishment I mean she got her daughter back.   What would be better?  Hell dimension with your daughter, or forget your daughter and go back to Sean Bean?  This film strives deeply to be in essence a nightmare of hell.  Everything in this film is a gimmick, cliche, or decoration for the nightmare that is silent hill.  The factories are pointless and useless except for the fact that they shoot fire and look creepy.  Cybill and Rose act incredibly composed and not very surprised that they are basically in hell.  Cybill almost doesn&#039;t seem to notice and just goes with whatever.  Who would act this way?  Forget thoughtful portrayals of women this film doesn&#039;t even offer realistic portrayals of human beings!  So how can argue that this film is harmful to women?  I view this film as nothing more as nightmare, people go along with it because accept the nightmare just as we do when we&#039;re in them.  I think christian fundamentalists have a way more legitimate argument to be offended than women do.  Please write me back, I&#039;d love to talk more</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make some interesting points.  I literally just finished a second viewing of silent hill 10 minutes ago.  I disagree with the conclusion immensely.  For starters the film is really incompetent and strives to be nothing more than an artful blockbuster.  I agree that the women were not written with much regard but  what was in that film?  I hate to shout double standard but quite frankly you can apply what you said about this film to any film really.  For example, let&#8217;s switch it around.  How many films are men the evil ones and responsible for the horrible things that happen?  They&#8217;re countless, and no one says a word about it.  Look at Dr. Strangelove, here is a film contains almost all men, they&#8217;re either insane or so stupid that they cause the end of the world.  Women have had terrible treatment in hollywood in terms of film roles.  But really Silent Hill is about a weak of an example as anything i&#8217;ve ever heard.  Silent Hill as a film doesn&#8217;t really seem to recognize what is good or evil.  We know the monsters and the cult are evil but the main character unleashes the monsters on the cult so she&#8217;s guilty too.  But is staying in the hell dimension really a direct punishment of bringing alessa to them?  Would she have been able to get out if she did nothing?  It&#8217;s a bit presumptuous to say being trapped in the dimension was punishment I mean she got her daughter back.   What would be better?  Hell dimension with your daughter, or forget your daughter and go back to Sean Bean?  This film strives deeply to be in essence a nightmare of hell.  Everything in this film is a gimmick, cliche, or decoration for the nightmare that is silent hill.  The factories are pointless and useless except for the fact that they shoot fire and look creepy.  Cybill and Rose act incredibly composed and not very surprised that they are basically in hell.  Cybill almost doesn&#8217;t seem to notice and just goes with whatever.  Who would act this way?  Forget thoughtful portrayals of women this film doesn&#8217;t even offer realistic portrayals of human beings!  So how can argue that this film is harmful to women?  I view this film as nothing more as nightmare, people go along with it because accept the nightmare just as we do when we&#8217;re in them.  I think christian fundamentalists have a way more legitimate argument to be offended than women do.  Please write me back, I&#8217;d love to talk more</p>
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		<title>By: BrokenHierophant</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrokenHierophant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting article. I enjoyed the movie though I though they went too far into left field with some things. In the game Alessa was revered despite being tormented. She was meant to birth a god that could bring about paradise on earth. Everyone referred to her as &quot;the holy one&quot; and suffering was merely a needed ingredient in the ritual. In the movie it switched gears. Alessa is not merely thought of as a witch by the children, she is thought to be a witch by the adults of silent hill as well. Her burning is thus a punishment for being damned. This takes the whole reverence aspect out of the story and plays on a very tired theme of women being persecuted by the church.

I noticed in your analysis you say there are many things that indirectly degrade women. I both agree and disagree. Yes the main antagonists causing problems are women but then again the heroic protagonists that are determined to make the wrong things right are also women. In this way women are portrayed in full circle. Some are good. Some are evil. None are perfect. Rose and Cybil were not to blame for anything really. One was merely concerned for her daughter and through bringing Sharon to Silent Hill Alessa was able to find peace and get her revenge. Cybil tagged along out of concern for both Rose and Sharon. She was not at fault for any wrong doings in the movie at all and yet Gans chose to make her a matyr. Personally I did not think the scene had to be so dang graphic though.

If anything I felt as if the movie was more chauvanist versus men. The husband of Rose is oblivous and merely stumbles around. Pyramid head is likely the coolest male lead and yet when you think about it despite the scary head gear and sword he has a glistening well toned physique. He&#039;s there for both the violence appeal and sex appeal making him more or less a homicidal Chip N Dale dancer. In SH 2 he has meaning and represents Jame&#039;s sexaul frustration and desire to  punish himself for killing his wife. Yet in the SH movie Pyramid head is just tantalizing eye candy. Poor guy might as well be a man whore. He&#039;s there to jack up the ratings and sate the fans, nothing more.

On top of all that &quot;Harry&quot; is turned into a woman as Gans gives a weak hypothesis that fathers cannot bond as deep with their children as mothers can. That very statement lights up with sexism against men in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article. I enjoyed the movie though I though they went too far into left field with some things. In the game Alessa was revered despite being tormented. She was meant to birth a god that could bring about paradise on earth. Everyone referred to her as &#8220;the holy one&#8221; and suffering was merely a needed ingredient in the ritual. In the movie it switched gears. Alessa is not merely thought of as a witch by the children, she is thought to be a witch by the adults of silent hill as well. Her burning is thus a punishment for being damned. This takes the whole reverence aspect out of the story and plays on a very tired theme of women being persecuted by the church.</p>
<p>I noticed in your analysis you say there are many things that indirectly degrade women. I both agree and disagree. Yes the main antagonists causing problems are women but then again the heroic protagonists that are determined to make the wrong things right are also women. In this way women are portrayed in full circle. Some are good. Some are evil. None are perfect. Rose and Cybil were not to blame for anything really. One was merely concerned for her daughter and through bringing Sharon to Silent Hill Alessa was able to find peace and get her revenge. Cybil tagged along out of concern for both Rose and Sharon. She was not at fault for any wrong doings in the movie at all and yet Gans chose to make her a matyr. Personally I did not think the scene had to be so dang graphic though.</p>
<p>If anything I felt as if the movie was more chauvanist versus men. The husband of Rose is oblivous and merely stumbles around. Pyramid head is likely the coolest male lead and yet when you think about it despite the scary head gear and sword he has a glistening well toned physique. He&#8217;s there for both the violence appeal and sex appeal making him more or less a homicidal Chip N Dale dancer. In SH 2 he has meaning and represents Jame&#8217;s sexaul frustration and desire to  punish himself for killing his wife. Yet in the SH movie Pyramid head is just tantalizing eye candy. Poor guy might as well be a man whore. He&#8217;s there to jack up the ratings and sate the fans, nothing more.</p>
<p>On top of all that &#8220;Harry&#8221; is turned into a woman as Gans gives a weak hypothesis that fathers cannot bond as deep with their children as mothers can. That very statement lights up with sexism against men in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2007-01-01_493/comment-page-1#comment-125746</link>
		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just had to come back and add this website just to solidify my point of the town still being productive as far as the game goes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Hill

The movie has some how made everyone forget that the town was not abandoned and was not covered in ash. This movie, in my opinion, is the biggest example of why movies shouldn&#039;t me made from a game. At least not by someone who isn&#039;t a true fan of the game and have at least done their full research. At least Silent Hill 5 is still under Konami&#039;s supervision and will be perfectly &quot;true to the basics&quot;. Also I&#039;d like to add that 4 was not originally supposed to be a silent hill game but at the last minute they decided to make it so and changed some of the story, brought in some old fav creatures, and added parts to tie into the town. I still think it was a great addition even tho it was not actually in silent hill. The feel and style was still true to the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had to come back and add this website just to solidify my point of the town still being productive as far as the game goes. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Hill" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Hill</a></p>
<p>The movie has some how made everyone forget that the town was not abandoned and was not covered in ash. This movie, in my opinion, is the biggest example of why movies shouldn&#8217;t me made from a game. At least not by someone who isn&#8217;t a true fan of the game and have at least done their full research. At least Silent Hill 5 is still under Konami&#8217;s supervision and will be perfectly &#8220;true to the basics&#8221;. Also I&#8217;d like to add that 4 was not originally supposed to be a silent hill game but at the last minute they decided to make it so and changed some of the story, brought in some old fav creatures, and added parts to tie into the town. I still think it was a great addition even tho it was not actually in silent hill. The feel and style was still true to the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 04:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off I have to say I&#039;ve loved the series of games since the day I first played them. I also liked the movie but only when I think of it as a movie not fully based on the game. I agree with everyone about making the main character female as being offensive in many respects. There are many other reasons why this movie offended me tho. One of them is that the story in the movie currupted and destroyed the possibilities of the other 3 games. Key point 1: Ash instead of snow. From what I could tell from the many times I&#039;ve played all of them is that the snow and fog is supposed to represent the fog of ones mind and the cold of ones guilt. Key point 2: Silent Hill couldn&#039;t have been abandoned as 2, 3, 4 obviously point out. As the characters are trapped in this other worlds of Silent Hill, the town is still a very productive and inhabited resort town. None of the games mention the town being abandoned. In fact, in 2 I believe (been a long time since I played that one) James finds a newspaper that states during the time that he&#039;s wandering the rest of the town is trying to figured out if the weird behaviour of some of its inhabitants is due in part to drugs. Key point 3: I kind of remember that the child Cheril was a part of some dark occult dealing with hell directly and the child being the key in raising Samahel and that Henry was basicly interfering with their ritual. The part in the interview on the DVD that offended me the most was when he said he was an avid gamer and was keeping true to the most basic aspects of the game but clearly ignored the three key points that I mentioned. The biggest being that the town was still inhabitated as a nice peaceful resort town. I&#039;ve looked at many posts here and many articles about this movie and never once found anything about the inaccuracy about the town being inhabitated or that it was, I thought, really supposed to be snow. I hope I&#039;m  not wrong about this and somehow have weirdly remembered every one of the games wrong but if I have please let me know so that I don&#039;t make this mistake again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off I have to say I&#8217;ve loved the series of games since the day I first played them. I also liked the movie but only when I think of it as a movie not fully based on the game. I agree with everyone about making the main character female as being offensive in many respects. There are many other reasons why this movie offended me tho. One of them is that the story in the movie currupted and destroyed the possibilities of the other 3 games. Key point 1: Ash instead of snow. From what I could tell from the many times I&#8217;ve played all of them is that the snow and fog is supposed to represent the fog of ones mind and the cold of ones guilt. Key point 2: Silent Hill couldn&#8217;t have been abandoned as 2, 3, 4 obviously point out. As the characters are trapped in this other worlds of Silent Hill, the town is still a very productive and inhabited resort town. None of the games mention the town being abandoned. In fact, in 2 I believe (been a long time since I played that one) James finds a newspaper that states during the time that he&#8217;s wandering the rest of the town is trying to figured out if the weird behaviour of some of its inhabitants is due in part to drugs. Key point 3: I kind of remember that the child Cheril was a part of some dark occult dealing with hell directly and the child being the key in raising Samahel and that Henry was basicly interfering with their ritual. The part in the interview on the DVD that offended me the most was when he said he was an avid gamer and was keeping true to the most basic aspects of the game but clearly ignored the three key points that I mentioned. The biggest being that the town was still inhabitated as a nice peaceful resort town. I&#8217;ve looked at many posts here and many articles about this movie and never once found anything about the inaccuracy about the town being inhabitated or that it was, I thought, really supposed to be snow. I hope I&#8217;m  not wrong about this and somehow have weirdly remembered every one of the games wrong but if I have please let me know so that I don&#8217;t make this mistake again.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 04:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of different responses here. Interesting to read.

But I say you you, those who disagree with the writer:it doesn&#039;t really matter if you agree with her or not. Her conclusions are her own...many people who are not femenists will watch this movie and have their own conclusions, and many people that are will want this movie and have their own conclusions...conclusions that might not match Andrea&#039;s.

But in the end, that&#039;s not the important part. Andrea&#039;s post ends with an important point:the biggest problem is not talking about these things indigenous in culture and pop culture. To shine a light about them. To talk about the things that trouble people, instead of ignoring them, or saying they aren&#039;t important. The feelings and thoughts of all rational and reasonable people have value, and should be heard, and talked about.

I&#039;ve been recently reading a lot of different femenist writings. I don&#039;t agree with all of them, but the important thing is that I&#039;m learning how other people see things, how they see things I don&#039;t. And I&#039;m talking with people about these things I learn, and striving, through learning and talking, to be a better person.

There is no one right answer. But an answer that one comes to without thinking and talking and more thinking is likely only one that prepetuates the problem. And there *is* a problem in our culture.

It&#039;s important to say that out loud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of different responses here. Interesting to read.</p>
<p>But I say you you, those who disagree with the writer:it doesn&#8217;t really matter if you agree with her or not. Her conclusions are her own&#8230;many people who are not femenists will watch this movie and have their own conclusions, and many people that are will want this movie and have their own conclusions&#8230;conclusions that might not match Andrea&#8217;s.</p>
<p>But in the end, that&#8217;s not the important part. Andrea&#8217;s post ends with an important point:the biggest problem is not talking about these things indigenous in culture and pop culture. To shine a light about them. To talk about the things that trouble people, instead of ignoring them, or saying they aren&#8217;t important. The feelings and thoughts of all rational and reasonable people have value, and should be heard, and talked about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been recently reading a lot of different femenist writings. I don&#8217;t agree with all of them, but the important thing is that I&#8217;m learning how other people see things, how they see things I don&#8217;t. And I&#8217;m talking with people about these things I learn, and striving, through learning and talking, to be a better person.</p>
<p>There is no one right answer. But an answer that one comes to without thinking and talking and more thinking is likely only one that prepetuates the problem. And there *is* a problem in our culture.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to say that out loud.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 02:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished watching the movie, and I agree with Rangell who pointed out:

&quot;The knowledge that women are the ones who screwed up is mitigated by the fact that the women are the only ones who hold the power on both sides of this conflict. The men are bystanders, henchmen, side-characters, love interests, and exposition vehicles. Analyzing this story inside the setting and according to the rules of the setting I don’t see it as damaging to women. Its not a slasher flick, a horrible graphic death is not a punishment for character traits but the unfortunate lot of anyone who gets trapped in the “mists” level of reality in Silent Hill.&quot;

Your review seems focused on the women being the main characters and portrayed poorly. I disagree and point out the cop as the &quot;role-model&quot; woman protagonist that set an example of what a &quot;good mother&quot; should have been like. Sure her death was gruesome, and I didn&#039;t want her to die, but that&#039;s sort of the point of the genre of movie this was, and anyone should have known that when electing to see it. If we felt nothing for the character, it wouldn&#039;t have mattered if she lived or died (similar to the girl who got her skinned ripped off).

Oh, and when iw atched this film, it didn&#039;t matter to me that all the main characters were female or not. I didn&#039;t really notice. I think you focus too much on gender in your analysis.

Also, I agree that they were already dead. And her choice on helping the child&#039;s darkside was one where you didn&#039;t know what the right choice was. That was great. Her reasons were &quot;satisfaction and revenge&quot; and she got just that. If she had returned happily with her husband, then it wouldn&#039;t make sence. Instead it feels like she was left in limbo, possibly choosing the wrong choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished watching the movie, and I agree with Rangell who pointed out:</p>
<p>&#8220;The knowledge that women are the ones who screwed up is mitigated by the fact that the women are the only ones who hold the power on both sides of this conflict. The men are bystanders, henchmen, side-characters, love interests, and exposition vehicles. Analyzing this story inside the setting and according to the rules of the setting I don’t see it as damaging to women. Its not a slasher flick, a horrible graphic death is not a punishment for character traits but the unfortunate lot of anyone who gets trapped in the “mists” level of reality in Silent Hill.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your review seems focused on the women being the main characters and portrayed poorly. I disagree and point out the cop as the &#8220;role-model&#8221; woman protagonist that set an example of what a &#8220;good mother&#8221; should have been like. Sure her death was gruesome, and I didn&#8217;t want her to die, but that&#8217;s sort of the point of the genre of movie this was, and anyone should have known that when electing to see it. If we felt nothing for the character, it wouldn&#8217;t have mattered if she lived or died (similar to the girl who got her skinned ripped off).</p>
<p>Oh, and when iw atched this film, it didn&#8217;t matter to me that all the main characters were female or not. I didn&#8217;t really notice. I think you focus too much on gender in your analysis.</p>
<p>Also, I agree that they were already dead. And her choice on helping the child&#8217;s darkside was one where you didn&#8217;t know what the right choice was. That was great. Her reasons were &#8220;satisfaction and revenge&#8221; and she got just that. If she had returned happily with her husband, then it wouldn&#8217;t make sence. Instead it feels like she was left in limbo, possibly choosing the wrong choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Deoridhe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deoridhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quite a bit after the fact, but I felt the need to respond to this: 

&lt;i&gt;Men were never persecuted as witches&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, this is false.  While in most of Europe and the USA women were persecuted more, in Iceland men were.  The form of killing was, I believe, hanging.  Men were also persecuted in other places, but it is true that outside of Iceland women bore the brunt of the abuse, and it is undeniable that both the persecution of women as witches and their death via fire are the common mythological images people still hold to, even though the historical events were often quite different.  I personally think including men in a &quot;persecute the witches&quot; trope, as well as including non-standard imagery associate with such, would add a lot.

I hope this won&#039;t be seen as derailing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite a bit after the fact, but I felt the need to respond to this: </p>
<p><i>Men were never persecuted as witches</i></p>
<p>Actually, this is false.  While in most of Europe and the USA women were persecuted more, in Iceland men were.  The form of killing was, I believe, hanging.  Men were also persecuted in other places, but it is true that outside of Iceland women bore the brunt of the abuse, and it is undeniable that both the persecution of women as witches and their death via fire are the common mythological images people still hold to, even though the historical events were often quite different.  I personally think including men in a &#8220;persecute the witches&#8221; trope, as well as including non-standard imagery associate with such, would add a lot.</p>
<p>I hope this won&#8217;t be seen as derailing.</p>
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		<title>By: Eroc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eroc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 21:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The movie in general was horribly done and DID NOT follow the game&#039;s layout like they plan TO DO in the movie Silent Hill 2 when it comes out. They go from a freelance movies script in the first movie to ACTUALLY following the game&#039;s layout in the second one, when it come sout. Also, Cybill lived and escaped Silent Hill forever with Harry and Cheryl in the game. The way Cybill died in the movie was not only ridiculous but completly ruined the storyline becuase Cybill saved Rose many times. In pre-production of the movie they should of noted that Rose should of saved the Police Officer before she was killed to return the favor. All I can say about this is that when Silent Hill 2 comes out they better regonize Officer Bennett and BETTER FRIGGIN&#039; mention the massive search done by Brahams Police to find both Cybill and Rose&#039;s daughter, which took place 5 days after the three of them went missing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The movie in general was horribly done and DID NOT follow the game&#8217;s layout like they plan TO DO in the movie Silent Hill 2 when it comes out. They go from a freelance movies script in the first movie to ACTUALLY following the game&#8217;s layout in the second one, when it come sout. Also, Cybill lived and escaped Silent Hill forever with Harry and Cheryl in the game. The way Cybill died in the movie was not only ridiculous but completly ruined the storyline becuase Cybill saved Rose many times. In pre-production of the movie they should of noted that Rose should of saved the Police Officer before she was killed to return the favor. All I can say about this is that when Silent Hill 2 comes out they better regonize Officer Bennett and BETTER FRIGGIN&#8217; mention the massive search done by Brahams Police to find both Cybill and Rose&#8217;s daughter, which took place 5 days after the three of them went missing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your analysis is interesting, but I still must respectfully disagree on some counts...

&quot;&lt;em&gt;If it was one thing that this movie sent home, it was that all the bad things that happened in Silent Hill were the fault of women.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

What&#039;s your point? The majority of the characters in &lt;em&gt;Silent Hill&lt;/em&gt; were female. The fact that all the bad stuff was the fault of women was purely incidental as far as I&#039;m concerned; a side effect of having so many female characters. I might be inclined to agree if all the villainous roles were filled by women, but we have Cybil and Rose, neither of whom are really &quot;spotless&quot; but are still good, well-rounded characters. Besides, spotless characters run the risk of being superficial, two-dimensional or even Mary-Sue-like, and that&#039;s far more damaging from a feminist outlook. Women aren&#039;t perfect, and they shouldn&#039;t be portrayed as perfect to suit a feminist agenda.

Your argument concerning the witchcraft theme confused me somewhat. You&#039;re saying that because witchcraft was a fundamental theme, all of the female characters are now suddenly merely stock characters whose only purpose is to die as witches? Come on. In a cult obsessed with burning &quot;witches&quot;, of course gender is going to play an important part. That&#039;s not misogynistic, that&#039;s &lt;em&gt;realistic&lt;/em&gt;. Men were never persecuted as witches -- to change this in the interest of avoiding gender as a pivotal issue would be historically inaccurate and just plain &lt;em&gt;wrong&lt;/em&gt;.

I also feel it&#039;s a bit of a stretch to say that Cybil is motherly or maternal. Yes, the motherhood theme is fairly obvious, but to put all of the characters under an umbrella of &quot;mother&quot; seems wrong. I honestly couldn&#039;t think of a woman &lt;em&gt;less&lt;/em&gt; maternal than Cybil -- rescuing a boy who had been chucked down a mine shaft doesn&#039;t make her a mother, it makes her human. In saying that he wanted to portray good and bad mothers in his film, I don&#039;t think Gans meant for us to slot ALL of the female characters into those categories.

Coming back to the theme of motherhood, I couldn&#039;t agree more on the Harry/Rose point. I don&#039;t like this idea that mothers bond more strongly with their children. I find it to be incorrect and offensive. But I&#039;m willing to forgive Gans for it, since I don&#039;t get that impression from the characters; Rose wasn&#039;t written exclusively as a mother. Her adopted daughter might have been the reason she went to Silent Hill to begin with, but she&#039;s far from a two-dimensional wife-and-mother character and for that I applaud Gans. Bottom line, a filmmaker refreshingly succeeds in presenting &lt;em&gt;characters that are female&lt;/em&gt;, rather than &lt;em&gt;female characters&lt;/em&gt;. I believe in the feminist movement and have ideals that are grounded in feminism, but I also believe in picking my battles and it is for that reason I don&#039;t view everything through a feminist lens. But that&#039;s just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your analysis is interesting, but I still must respectfully disagree on some counts&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;<em>If it was one thing that this movie sent home, it was that all the bad things that happened in Silent Hill were the fault of women.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your point? The majority of the characters in <em>Silent Hill</em> were female. The fact that all the bad stuff was the fault of women was purely incidental as far as I&#8217;m concerned; a side effect of having so many female characters. I might be inclined to agree if all the villainous roles were filled by women, but we have Cybil and Rose, neither of whom are really &#8220;spotless&#8221; but are still good, well-rounded characters. Besides, spotless characters run the risk of being superficial, two-dimensional or even Mary-Sue-like, and that&#8217;s far more damaging from a feminist outlook. Women aren&#8217;t perfect, and they shouldn&#8217;t be portrayed as perfect to suit a feminist agenda.</p>
<p>Your argument concerning the witchcraft theme confused me somewhat. You&#8217;re saying that because witchcraft was a fundamental theme, all of the female characters are now suddenly merely stock characters whose only purpose is to die as witches? Come on. In a cult obsessed with burning &#8220;witches&#8221;, of course gender is going to play an important part. That&#8217;s not misogynistic, that&#8217;s <em>realistic</em>. Men were never persecuted as witches &#8212; to change this in the interest of avoiding gender as a pivotal issue would be historically inaccurate and just plain <em>wrong</em>.</p>
<p>I also feel it&#8217;s a bit of a stretch to say that Cybil is motherly or maternal. Yes, the motherhood theme is fairly obvious, but to put all of the characters under an umbrella of &#8220;mother&#8221; seems wrong. I honestly couldn&#8217;t think of a woman <em>less</em> maternal than Cybil &#8212; rescuing a boy who had been chucked down a mine shaft doesn&#8217;t make her a mother, it makes her human. In saying that he wanted to portray good and bad mothers in his film, I don&#8217;t think Gans meant for us to slot ALL of the female characters into those categories.</p>
<p>Coming back to the theme of motherhood, I couldn&#8217;t agree more on the Harry/Rose point. I don&#8217;t like this idea that mothers bond more strongly with their children. I find it to be incorrect and offensive. But I&#8217;m willing to forgive Gans for it, since I don&#8217;t get that impression from the characters; Rose wasn&#8217;t written exclusively as a mother. Her adopted daughter might have been the reason she went to Silent Hill to begin with, but she&#8217;s far from a two-dimensional wife-and-mother character and for that I applaud Gans. Bottom line, a filmmaker refreshingly succeeds in presenting <em>characters that are female</em>, rather than <em>female characters</em>. I believe in the feminist movement and have ideals that are grounded in feminism, but I also believe in picking my battles and it is for that reason I don&#8217;t view everything through a feminist lens. But that&#8217;s just me.</p>
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