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	<title>Comments on: Men Stereotyping Men [Red-blooded American Sexist, Part 1]</title>
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		<title>By: Seneca, Superiority and Self-Control &#171; Ta Aphrodisia</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-09-25_393#comment-170805</link>
		<dc:creator>Seneca, Superiority and Self-Control &#171; Ta Aphrodisia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Superiority and&#160;Self-Control  This post by Andrea Rubenstein touched on, inter alia, the trope of men as unable to exert self [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Feminism: Part 2</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-09-25_393#comment-170787</link>
		<dc:creator>Feminism: Part 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It grows largely out of the fear of being judged.  I&#8217;ve often thought about this (especially as a future teacher; we went through a unit on female bullying at the beginning of this semester).  If I have children, which, at the moment, is not preferable to me, I want to help them break down gender roles.  Ideally, I want my children to live life to the fullest by being exposed to all facets of it.  But I won&#8217;t be the only factor in my children&#8217;s lives (this is part of why I really don&#8217;t want to have them&#8230;I don&#8217;t trust society, frankly).  I would have to isolate my daughters from all the other girls in school and in the neighborhood who play with Barbies in order to keep them from being exposed to unfair gender stereotypes and ideals (not to mention television&#8230;).  I would have to isolate my sons from all the other boys who want to play war and watch pro wrestling in order to keep them from being exposed to the male expectation of violence (again, this is not including the media).  When I won&#8217;t buy my daughter Bratz dolls because I think they&#8217;re offensive, or I won&#8217;t let her go to school in skimpy clothes, she&#8217;ll hate me.  When I won&#8217;t let my son have toy guns because I think they promote male violence, or I won&#8217;t let him join the wrestling team, he&#8217;ll hate me.  Not to mention all the opportunities it will give them to go behind my back and do these things (or worse), and continue to be inculcated into a culture that forces women into roles as sex objects, submissives, and incompetents, and forces men into roles as morons, monsters, and misogynists. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It grows largely out of the fear of being judged.  I&#8217;ve often thought about this (especially as a future teacher; we went through a unit on female bullying at the beginning of this semester).  If I have children, which, at the moment, is not preferable to me, I want to help them break down gender roles.  Ideally, I want my children to live life to the fullest by being exposed to all facets of it.  But I won&#8217;t be the only factor in my children&#8217;s lives (this is part of why I really don&#8217;t want to have them&#8230;I don&#8217;t trust society, frankly).  I would have to isolate my daughters from all the other girls in school and in the neighborhood who play with Barbies in order to keep them from being exposed to unfair gender stereotypes and ideals (not to mention television&#8230;).  I would have to isolate my sons from all the other boys who want to play war and watch pro wrestling in order to keep them from being exposed to the male expectation of violence (again, this is not including the media).  When I won&#8217;t buy my daughter Bratz dolls because I think they&#8217;re offensive, or I won&#8217;t let her go to school in skimpy clothes, she&#8217;ll hate me.  When I won&#8217;t let my son have toy guns because I think they promote male violence, or I won&#8217;t let him join the wrestling team, he&#8217;ll hate me.  Not to mention all the opportunities it will give them to go behind my back and do these things (or worse), and continue to be inculcated into a culture that forces women into roles as sex objects, submissives, and incompetents, and forces men into roles as morons, monsters, and misogynists. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Darth Sidhe</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-09-25_393#comment-43001</link>
		<dc:creator>Darth Sidhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, according to &lt;i&gt;Freakonomics&lt;/i&gt;, "red-blooded" used to be a KKK password...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, according to <i>Freakonomics</i>, &#8220;red-blooded&#8221; used to be a KKK password&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: New Yorker cartoonists: Boobs don&#8217;t work that way. &#171; TlÃ¶nista</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-09-25_393#comment-2554</link>
		<dc:creator>New Yorker cartoonists: Boobs don&#8217;t work that way. &#171; TlÃ¶nista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Oct 2006 21:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is nothing new to readers of mainstream comics, where women are often drawn with anatomically impossible poses and proportions in horribly misguided attempts at titillation. LJer Rat Creature provides many scanned pages. See also brown_betty&#8217;s brilliant parody, and Tekanji&#8217;s criticism of one particularly horrifying page here, here, and here. Rat Creature also scanned artist Terry Moore&#8217;s mockery of unrealistic comics heroines, from the Wizard book itself as a matter of fact. Somewhere on the Girl-Wonder.org forums, fangirls are gleefully drawing male superheroes in the contorted, passive, sexualized poses usually forced on their female counterparts to demonstrate how ridiculous those poses really look. (See some standard examples here; and there&#8217;s also a link to a great &#8220;boobs don&#8217;t work that way&#8221; post at Making Light.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is nothing new to readers of mainstream comics, where women are often drawn with anatomically impossible poses and proportions in horribly misguided attempts at titillation. LJer Rat Creature provides many scanned pages. See also brown_betty&#8217;s brilliant parody, and Tekanji&#8217;s criticism of one particularly horrifying page here, here, and here. Rat Creature also scanned artist Terry Moore&#8217;s mockery of unrealistic comics heroines, from the Wizard book itself as a matter of fact. Somewhere on the Girl-Wonder.org forums, fangirls are gleefully drawing male superheroes in the contorted, passive, sexualized poses usually forced on their female counterparts to demonstrate how ridiculous those poses really look. (See some standard examples here; and there&#8217;s also a link to a great &#8220;boobs don&#8217;t work that way&#8221; post at Making Light.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Supergirl: Maid of Might Blog &#187; : Links related to the Wizard post</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-09-25_393#comment-2511</link>
		<dc:creator>Supergirl: Maid of Might Blog &#187; : Links related to the Wizard post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Men Stereotyping Men [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Supergirl: Maid of Might Blog &#187; Links related to the previous post</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-09-25_393#comment-2289</link>
		<dc:creator>Supergirl: Maid of Might Blog &#187; Links related to the previous post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Men Stereotyping Men [...]</description>
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		<title>By: real men are not &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Red-Blooded American Sexist</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-09-25_393#comment-2237</link>
		<dc:creator>real men are not &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Red-Blooded American Sexist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 04:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Men Stereotyping Men Men Stereotyping Women Sexist Language [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jfpbookworm</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-09-25_393#comment-2206</link>
		<dc:creator>jfpbookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Which lead me to a link about the â€œTriple Threatâ€ â€” which, contrary to what it sounds like, is not a wrestling move. The triple threat, of course, references the three ways (boobs, butt, legs) in red-blooded American guys objectify view women!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think it's pretty telling that the stereotypical badly drawn woman in comics is basically these three attributes with a minimum of connecting lines, the rest of her body being atrophied by comparison.

&lt;blockquote&gt;What about the opposite sex hits me like lightning and instantly shatters my self control?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yeah, yeah, yeah men are such pigs (smart men never argue this one).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think one of the problems is that most of us are so steeped in privilege that we can't immediately spot what's wrong with this question - if you take the "shatters my self control" part for granted, you see the problem as being "hit like lightning."  (Societal attitudes toward sexual desire don't help much here, either.)  

I can guarantee you that if you had posted this on a general comics site, a lot of men would be complaining that you're telling them they can't be attracted to particular features, and that virtually nobody would catch on to the difference between attraction and entitlement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Which lead me to a link about the â€œTriple Threatâ€ â€” which, contrary to what it sounds like, is not a wrestling move. The triple threat, of course, references the three ways (boobs, butt, legs) in red-blooded American guys objectify view women!</p></blockquote>
<p>I think it&#8217;s pretty telling that the stereotypical badly drawn woman in comics is basically these three attributes with a minimum of connecting lines, the rest of her body being atrophied by comparison.</p>
<blockquote><p>What about the opposite sex hits me like lightning and instantly shatters my self control?</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Yeah, yeah, yeah men are such pigs (smart men never argue this one).</p></blockquote>
<p>I think one of the problems is that most of us are so steeped in privilege that we can&#8217;t immediately spot what&#8217;s wrong with this question - if you take the &#8220;shatters my self control&#8221; part for granted, you see the problem as being &#8220;hit like lightning.&#8221;  (Societal attitudes toward sexual desire don&#8217;t help much here, either.)  </p>
<p>I can guarantee you that if you had posted this on a general comics site, a lot of men would be complaining that you&#8217;re telling them they can&#8217;t be attracted to particular features, and that virtually nobody would catch on to the difference between attraction and entitlement.</p>
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