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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-08-22_365/comment-page-1#comment-50656</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I have been reading a bunch of reveiws about the Sims and a bunch of stuff about girl games and gamers in the last few days.  I have to say that in my opinion it is all horse hockey.  I hear that the Sims is a &#039;girl game&#039; and a game marketed towards the &#039;gay community&#039; what a load.  I am a 47 year old securely hetero grandfather and I like to play the Sims 2.  Do you want to know why I like to play?  Clothes and kids.  I am always looking for new clothes to dress my sims in and I am trying to breed better looking sims.  My wife also plays the Sims 2 and she is always trying to build neater looking houses.

Now you think that maybe I&#039;m weird or something but I also like tactical simulations, stategy games, RPGs, and survival horror.  Sometimes nothings better after a hard days work than to fight a couple of WW2 battles or blowing away a mess of zombies.

My wife likes strategy games and RPGs, which means everytime I get a new final fantasy she always ends up beating it before I do plus she always stomps me when we do a multi player strategy game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I have been reading a bunch of reveiws about the Sims and a bunch of stuff about girl games and gamers in the last few days.  I have to say that in my opinion it is all horse hockey.  I hear that the Sims is a &#8216;girl game&#8217; and a game marketed towards the &#8216;gay community&#8217; what a load.  I am a 47 year old securely hetero grandfather and I like to play the Sims 2.  Do you want to know why I like to play?  Clothes and kids.  I am always looking for new clothes to dress my sims in and I am trying to breed better looking sims.  My wife also plays the Sims 2 and she is always trying to build neater looking houses.</p>
<p>Now you think that maybe I&#8217;m weird or something but I also like tactical simulations, stategy games, RPGs, and survival horror.  Sometimes nothings better after a hard days work than to fight a couple of WW2 battles or blowing away a mess of zombies.</p>
<p>My wife likes strategy games and RPGs, which means everytime I get a new final fantasy she always ends up beating it before I do plus she always stomps me when we do a multi player strategy game.</p>
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		<title>By: Godless Heathen</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-08-22_365/comment-page-1#comment-2125</link>
		<dc:creator>Godless Heathen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now to me, the Sims isn&#039;t a game about relationships.  I hate managing their relationships, I hate it with a passion.  There&#039;s nothing like going for a promotion only to have some guy you forgot to call suddenly drop from the friends and you have to spend days working him back up to friend status.  I loathe that.  For me, it&#039;s about telling stories.  Bob &amp; Betty Newbie&#039;s lives spinning horribly out of control down and down into a spiral of dispair...muhahaha! Ha! Oh, sorry.

But really, I love all simulation type games, with business sims being my very favorite.  The Rollercoaster Tycoon series has been a neverending source of amusement, partly because I&#039;m so good at making it work for me, and partly because it allows me to experiment.  Can I get an all high-intensity coaster park to work? Lets try it out!  The only simulation type games that don&#039;t get me going are the kinds that require too much micromanaging.  I like to micromanage some, but if I can&#039;t sit back and drink my soda and just watch it go, that&#039;s dull.  Oh and I liked the Monster Rancher series because I was so good at making champion fighters.  And I liked the Harvest Moon games (except for the lame &#039;dating sim&#039; aspects) also because I was so good at running the little &quot;farm&quot; and the aminals were cute.  Especially when you&#039;d accidentally whack one with a farming tool, good stuff.

Contrast all that cold mechanism with the most popular genre of game out there, the RPG.  I just can&#039;t get into most console RPGs because they seem to be based around The Hero&#039;s relationship with Token Woman.  How utterly boring, I don&#039;t really care what the shallow backstory has to say about their undending love, it&#039;s dull and unimaginative.  And yet, male gamers I know eat that junk up, with a spoon!  Those games seem to be &quot;about relationships&quot; a whole lot, but I don&#039;t know many women who get into the relationship aspect.  Maybe I don&#039;t know enough women though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now to me, the Sims isn&#8217;t a game about relationships.  I hate managing their relationships, I hate it with a passion.  There&#8217;s nothing like going for a promotion only to have some guy you forgot to call suddenly drop from the friends and you have to spend days working him back up to friend status.  I loathe that.  For me, it&#8217;s about telling stories.  Bob &amp; Betty Newbie&#8217;s lives spinning horribly out of control down and down into a spiral of dispair&#8230;muhahaha! Ha! Oh, sorry.</p>
<p>But really, I love all simulation type games, with business sims being my very favorite.  The Rollercoaster Tycoon series has been a neverending source of amusement, partly because I&#8217;m so good at making it work for me, and partly because it allows me to experiment.  Can I get an all high-intensity coaster park to work? Lets try it out!  The only simulation type games that don&#8217;t get me going are the kinds that require too much micromanaging.  I like to micromanage some, but if I can&#8217;t sit back and drink my soda and just watch it go, that&#8217;s dull.  Oh and I liked the Monster Rancher series because I was so good at making champion fighters.  And I liked the Harvest Moon games (except for the lame &#8216;dating sim&#8217; aspects) also because I was so good at running the little &#8220;farm&#8221; and the aminals were cute.  Especially when you&#8217;d accidentally whack one with a farming tool, good stuff.</p>
<p>Contrast all that cold mechanism with the most popular genre of game out there, the RPG.  I just can&#8217;t get into most console RPGs because they seem to be based around The Hero&#8217;s relationship with Token Woman.  How utterly boring, I don&#8217;t really care what the shallow backstory has to say about their undending love, it&#8217;s dull and unimaginative.  And yet, male gamers I know eat that junk up, with a spoon!  Those games seem to be &#8220;about relationships&#8221; a whole lot, but I don&#8217;t know many women who get into the relationship aspect.  Maybe I don&#8217;t know enough women though.</p>
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		<title>By: clampett</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-08-22_365/comment-page-1#comment-1856</link>
		<dc:creator>clampett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Shrub, 

If I owned a video game company, I&#039;d put you on the marketing team.

-cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Shrub, </p>
<p>If I owned a video game company, I&#8217;d put you on the marketing team.</p>
<p>-cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Molly Rice</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-08-22_365/comment-page-1#comment-1851</link>
		<dc:creator>Molly Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the attraction to the sims for me was that I could lock them all in a room with a fireplace and kill them...and I could make them look like members from KISS and punk-rockers.

It wasn&#039;t so much about the relationships or communicating, it was about being in a position of power to control and/or destroy lives.  Similarly the rest of the SIM-series was attractive to me for that reason.  Build a tower.  Kill the tower.  Build a city, destroy it with aliens.

Marketing unfortunately relies heavily on stereotypes, but the problem is that the geek-girl community is one that has played video games NOT marketed towards them since they came out.  Hell, I remember how pissed off my male friends were when at the end of Metroid, the main character revealed herself to be female.  That was COOL to me.  That said, while I think there is a market for &quot;pink&quot; video games, I don&#039;t think it hits the market for girl-geeks in general.  Its just another way that corporations are trying to target &quot;girl power&quot; as a commodity, when they don&#039;t really know what &quot;grrl power&quot; actually is.

-Molly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the attraction to the sims for me was that I could lock them all in a room with a fireplace and kill them&#8230;and I could make them look like members from KISS and punk-rockers.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t so much about the relationships or communicating, it was about being in a position of power to control and/or destroy lives.  Similarly the rest of the SIM-series was attractive to me for that reason.  Build a tower.  Kill the tower.  Build a city, destroy it with aliens.</p>
<p>Marketing unfortunately relies heavily on stereotypes, but the problem is that the geek-girl community is one that has played video games NOT marketed towards them since they came out.  Hell, I remember how pissed off my male friends were when at the end of Metroid, the main character revealed herself to be female.  That was COOL to me.  That said, while I think there is a market for &#8220;pink&#8221; video games, I don&#8217;t think it hits the market for girl-geeks in general.  Its just another way that corporations are trying to target &#8220;girl power&#8221; as a commodity, when they don&#8217;t really know what &#8220;grrl power&#8221; actually is.</p>
<p>-Molly</p>
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		<title>By: Keri</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-08-22_365/comment-page-1#comment-1848</link>
		<dc:creator>Keri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I&#039;m getting extremely tired of the stereotypical justifications people come up with for &lt;i&gt;The Sims&lt;/i&gt;&#039; popularity with women-- &quot;it&#039;s about relationships,&quot; &quot;it&#039;s non-competitive,&quot; &quot;it&#039;s about creating rather than destroying,&quot; etc. I&#039;ve always thought that the thing about &lt;i&gt;The Sims&lt;/i&gt; wasn&#039;t so much that it appealed to &lt;i&gt;women&lt;/i&gt; as that it appealed to &lt;i&gt;people who weren&#039;t gamers&lt;/i&gt;, with its non-traditional, non-linear setup, mainstream marketing, and relatively easy-to-grasp, open gameplay. It may be more likely for women, who are constantly told that &quot;hardcore&quot; gaming is Not For You, to be drawn in by a game like this; however, that doesn&#039;t mean that the content of the game necessarily says anything about women&#039;s personalities or preferences.

This is the second article on this topic I&#039;ve read recently that started off talking about &quot;women&quot; then went on to only address teenage girls, incidentally. I understand that they&#039;re probably focusing on that specific demographic at the moment, but it&#039;s unsettling to me that there appears to be no difference in this context between &quot;what women want&quot; and &quot;what 13-year-old girls want,&quot; and that there is very little discussion about what adult women are looking for in games. (And would it kill them to actually, oh, I don&#039;t know, &lt;i&gt;find some actual women who game&lt;/i&gt; to talk to for these articles, rather than presenting some out-of-touch male department head as the authority on &quot;what girls/women want&quot;?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I&#8217;m getting extremely tired of the stereotypical justifications people come up with for <i>The Sims</i>&#8216; popularity with women&#8211; &#8220;it&#8217;s about relationships,&#8221; &#8220;it&#8217;s non-competitive,&#8221; &#8220;it&#8217;s about creating rather than destroying,&#8221; etc. I&#8217;ve always thought that the thing about <i>The Sims</i> wasn&#8217;t so much that it appealed to <i>women</i> as that it appealed to <i>people who weren&#8217;t gamers</i>, with its non-traditional, non-linear setup, mainstream marketing, and relatively easy-to-grasp, open gameplay. It may be more likely for women, who are constantly told that &#8220;hardcore&#8221; gaming is Not For You, to be drawn in by a game like this; however, that doesn&#8217;t mean that the content of the game necessarily says anything about women&#8217;s personalities or preferences.</p>
<p>This is the second article on this topic I&#8217;ve read recently that started off talking about &#8220;women&#8221; then went on to only address teenage girls, incidentally. I understand that they&#8217;re probably focusing on that specific demographic at the moment, but it&#8217;s unsettling to me that there appears to be no difference in this context between &#8220;what women want&#8221; and &#8220;what 13-year-old girls want,&#8221; and that there is very little discussion about what adult women are looking for in games. (And would it kill them to actually, oh, I don&#8217;t know, <i>find some actual women who game</i> to talk to for these articles, rather than presenting some out-of-touch male department head as the authority on &#8220;what girls/women want&#8221;?)</p>
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		<title>By: Lake Desire</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-08-22_365/comment-page-1#comment-1847</link>
		<dc:creator>Lake Desire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that this is a plethora of male experts on what women really want to quote for these articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that this is a plethora of male experts on what women really want to quote for these articles.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffliveshere</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-08-22_365/comment-page-1#comment-1846</link>
		<dc:creator>jeffliveshere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a really weird perspective that he is taking, given the huge success of games like World of Warcraft which is, granted, probably partly based on neato graphics and an intricate world; but, given the people I&#039;ve talked to, the most fun thing about WoW is interacting with other players of the various levels (in-game roleplaying, in-game chatting, guild building, etc., out-game talking, board-posting).  But WoW also doesn&#039;t seem to be marketed &#039;toward women&#039; in any way (and apparently has some misogynist stuff going on, too), and lots of women and men dig that game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a really weird perspective that he is taking, given the huge success of games like World of Warcraft which is, granted, probably partly based on neato graphics and an intricate world; but, given the people I&#8217;ve talked to, the most fun thing about WoW is interacting with other players of the various levels (in-game roleplaying, in-game chatting, guild building, etc., out-game talking, board-posting).  But WoW also doesn&#8217;t seem to be marketed &#8216;toward women&#8217; in any way (and apparently has some misogynist stuff going on, too), and lots of women and men dig that game.</p>
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