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		<title>By: Draft from the past: Why is sex important? &#171; Feline Formal Shorts</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-06-18_314#comment-38206</link>
		<dc:creator>Draft from the past: Why is sex important? &#171; Feline Formal Shorts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And fuck that. Tekanji has a great passage that I keep thinking of whenever this comes up: &#8220;Honestly, every time I look at the kinds of things sheâ€™s said and the way sheâ€™s said them, it reminds me of the year and a half I spent being emotionally abused by my first boyfriend. The tactis are exactly the same. Do you realize how sick it makes me feel to see that same kind of argumentation style being applied in the feminist blogsphere aimed at other (feminist) women? This is my community, too. I care about it. It hurts me when we fight amongst ourselves. It hurts me when we hurt each other. But Iâ€™ll be damned if I sit here and let another feminist blogger do that shit again. When I said â€œnever againâ€ I didnâ€™t just mean â€œnever again from a boyfriendâ€ or â€œnever again from a manâ€, I meant I wouldnâ€™t take that shit from anyone â€” not the patriarchy, not a man, and most certainly not another feminist.&#8221; - Tekanji [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] And fuck that. Tekanji has a great passage that I keep thinking of whenever this comes up: &#8220;Honestly, every time I look at the kinds of things sheâ€™s said and the way sheâ€™s said them, it reminds me of the year and a half I spent being emotionally abused by my first boyfriend. The tactis are exactly the same. Do you realize how sick it makes me feel to see that same kind of argumentation style being applied in the feminist blogsphere aimed at other (feminist) women? This is my community, too. I care about it. It hurts me when we fight amongst ourselves. It hurts me when we hurt each other. But Iâ€™ll be damned if I sit here and let another feminist blogger do that shit again. When I said â€œnever againâ€ I didnâ€™t just mean â€œnever again from a boyfriendâ€ or â€œnever again from a manâ€, I meant I wouldnâ€™t take that shit from anyone â€” not the patriarchy, not a man, and most certainly not another feminist.&#8221; - Tekanji [...]</p>
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		<title>By: curiousgyrl</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-06-18_314#comment-1365</link>
		<dc:creator>curiousgyrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it goes beyond an inablility to emotionally understand your (or my) sexual preferences. Twisty is essentially a radical feminist, which means that under her ideological take on the situaiton, our indiviual choices--particularly having sex wth men--prevent us from engagning in meaningful feminist collective activity. this analysis sucks in my view, but its resuced ala twisty, in that her nihilism doesnt allow her to take any hope for collective activity seriously at all, thus reducing our choices to a series of objectional ones. the down side, however, is no collective activity. thats where i'd rather fight her. not on the 'to blow or not to blow' question, though thats obviously where she'd rather start sh*t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it goes beyond an inablility to emotionally understand your (or my) sexual preferences. Twisty is essentially a radical feminist, which means that under her ideological take on the situaiton, our indiviual choices&#8211;particularly having sex wth men&#8211;prevent us from engagning in meaningful feminist collective activity. this analysis sucks in my view, but its resuced ala twisty, in that her nihilism doesnt allow her to take any hope for collective activity seriously at all, thus reducing our choices to a series of objectional ones. the down side, however, is no collective activity. thats where i&#8217;d rather fight her. not on the &#8216;to blow or not to blow&#8217; question, though thats obviously where she&#8217;d rather start sh*t.</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-06-18_314#comment-1361</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;curiousgyrl:&lt;/b&gt; Okay, now that I have some time I'm going to give you a proper response to your comments. :)

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thus the tag line â€œPrepare to be thrown, white male supremacy!â€ The take of the blog in its entirety is basically a comic but honest (in the sense that I think she really believes this) view that everything bad is caused by â€œthe patriarchyâ€ and there is little we can do about it, besides document and discuss its various incarnations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I understand her blog, and I understand the value in being snarky about the patriarchy. We all gotta vent sometimes. But what crosses a line with me is when she stops blaming the patriarchy and starts blaming the women who are a part of it. Her BJ post is only the last in a small series of those posts that have pissed me off. 

The first one that came to my attention was the anti-BDSM one where she, once again, used her own personal morality to judge the sexual lives of other women. She's more than welcome to disagree with my choices and question my reasoning, but it crosses a line (a feminist line, in my opinion) for her to play mind reader and tell me that I really don't like these things. I'm a big girl who has had 23 years to run the gammut of "things I don't like" and it hits a very, very personal nerve to be called names because she can't emotionally understand my sexual preferences. 

Conflating her personal tastes with feminist discourse, I think, is both dishonest and detracts from the ability to examine sexuality within a patriarichal context. 

Honestly, every time I look at the kinds of things she's said and the way she's said them, it reminds me of the year and a half I spent being emotionally abused by my first boyfriend. The tactis are &lt;i&gt;exactly the same&lt;/i&gt;. Do you realize how sick it makes me feel to see that same kind of argumentation style being applied in the feminist blogsphere aimed at other (feminist) women? This is my community, too. I care about it. It hurts me when we fight amongst ourselves. It hurts me when we hurt each other. But I'll be damned if I sit here and let another feminist blogger do that shit again. When I said "never again" I didn't just mean "never again from a boyfriend" or "never again from a man", I meant I wouldn't take that shit from anyone -- not the patriarchy, not a man, and most certainly not another feminist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>curiousgyrl:</b> Okay, now that I have some time I&#8217;m going to give you a proper response to your comments. <img src='http://blog.shrub.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>Thus the tag line â€œPrepare to be thrown, white male supremacy!â€ The take of the blog in its entirety is basically a comic but honest (in the sense that I think she really believes this) view that everything bad is caused by â€œthe patriarchyâ€ and there is little we can do about it, besides document and discuss its various incarnations.</p></blockquote>
<p>I understand her blog, and I understand the value in being snarky about the patriarchy. We all gotta vent sometimes. But what crosses a line with me is when she stops blaming the patriarchy and starts blaming the women who are a part of it. Her BJ post is only the last in a small series of those posts that have pissed me off. </p>
<p>The first one that came to my attention was the anti-BDSM one where she, once again, used her own personal morality to judge the sexual lives of other women. She&#8217;s more than welcome to disagree with my choices and question my reasoning, but it crosses a line (a feminist line, in my opinion) for her to play mind reader and tell me that I really don&#8217;t like these things. I&#8217;m a big girl who has had 23 years to run the gammut of &#8220;things I don&#8217;t like&#8221; and it hits a very, very personal nerve to be called names because she can&#8217;t emotionally understand my sexual preferences. </p>
<p>Conflating her personal tastes with feminist discourse, I think, is both dishonest and detracts from the ability to examine sexuality within a patriarichal context. </p>
<p>Honestly, every time I look at the kinds of things she&#8217;s said and the way she&#8217;s said them, it reminds me of the year and a half I spent being emotionally abused by my first boyfriend. The tactis are <i>exactly the same</i>. Do you realize how sick it makes me feel to see that same kind of argumentation style being applied in the feminist blogsphere aimed at other (feminist) women? This is my community, too. I care about it. It hurts me when we fight amongst ourselves. It hurts me when we hurt each other. But I&#8217;ll be damned if I sit here and let another feminist blogger do that shit again. When I said &#8220;never again&#8221; I didn&#8217;t just mean &#8220;never again from a boyfriend&#8221; or &#8220;never again from a man&#8221;, I meant I wouldn&#8217;t take that shit from anyone &#8212; not the patriarchy, not a man, and most certainly not another feminist.</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-06-18_314#comment-1360</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Winter said:&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Am I missing something?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Er, that's netspeak for IAWTC. (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) What it means is that I agree with what y'all said and am showing solidarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Winter said:</b></p>
<blockquote><p>Am I missing something?</p></blockquote>
<p>Er, that&#8217;s netspeak for IAWTC. (Sorry, I couldn&#8217;t resist!) What it means is that I agree with what y&#8217;all said and am showing solidarity.</p>
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		<title>By: curiousgyrl</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-06-18_314#comment-1357</link>
		<dc:creator>curiousgyrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry about that. I'll admit I read the rules after I posted and realized I was out of line. Apologies. I was merely trying to point out that I think Twisty's fatalism is more wrong than her bj stance, and that I find the latter funny but the former just sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry about that. I&#8217;ll admit I read the rules after I posted and realized I was out of line. Apologies. I was merely trying to point out that I think Twisty&#8217;s fatalism is more wrong than her bj stance, and that I find the latter funny but the former just sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Word"? 

Am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Word&#8221;? </p>
<p>Am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-06-18_314#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;curiousgyrl:&lt;/b&gt; I don't have time to give an actual reply to your comment, as I'm late for school.

However, lines such as these:
&lt;blockquote&gt;If you do still want to be outraged, please save it for something deeper than funk-filled whatsists. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

are inappropriate on this blog. You do not get to dictate what I or any of my commenters can find objectionable. Please review the discussion rules before you post again, because this will be your only warning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>curiousgyrl:</b> I don&#8217;t have time to give an actual reply to your comment, as I&#8217;m late for school.</p>
<p>However, lines such as these:</p>
<blockquote><p>If you do still want to be outraged, please save it for something deeper than funk-filled whatsists. </p></blockquote>
<p>are inappropriate on this blog. You do not get to dictate what I or any of my commenters can find objectionable. Please review the discussion rules before you post again, because this will be your only warning.</p>
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		<title>By: curiousgyrl</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-06-18_314#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator>curiousgyrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one last defense: blow jobs are gross. As is stinky cheese. Unlike my blogorific guru, I submit that both may be enjoyed in moderation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one last defense: blow jobs are gross. As is stinky cheese. Unlike my blogorific guru, I submit that both may be enjoyed in moderation.</p>
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		<title>By: curiousgyrl</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-06-18_314#comment-1353</link>
		<dc:creator>curiousgyrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: what "power as a popular feminist blogger*?"

I hate to jump on the "just a joke" bandwagon--because I think Twisty is both funny and serious, but this outrage at her anti-cocksucking stance seems to miss the premise of her blog. Thus the tag line "Prepare to be thrown, white male supremacy!" The take of the blog in its entirety is basically a comic but honest (in the sense that I think she really believes this) view that everything bad is caused by "the patriarchy" and there is little we can do about it, besides document and discuss its various incarnations. In this scheme, blowjobs, lipstick and tiny purses are an expression of women's subordination, as is EVERYTHING ELSE. Twisty does not suggest that that not blowing guys is a threat to patriarchy; in fact, she never seems to suggest that anything is a credible threat, as far as I can tell. Except maybe once in a post about women who got together to attack a rapist. But I think the end result was Kafka-esqe torture at the hands of the patriarchal legal system. 

I donâ€™t agree with Twisty on this basic score, but I get where she's coming from.  Certainly she's spot on when it comes to blogs-as-political-acts having little power to change the anti-pussy alignment of the known universe. 

If you do still want to be outraged, please save it for something deeper than funk-filled whatsists. I'd aim for the pathetic (as in full of pathos) acquiescence to the patriarchy that Twisty's humourosly nihilistic analysis reflects.

*In honor of Twisty, I spellchecked. Just to prove my point about the significance of the feminist blogosphere at present, I'd like to mention that MS Word doesn't recognize "blog" or "blogger." That said, I cannot vouch for my grammatical correctness, nor MS Word's. Just one small element that will be different after the revolution initiated by IBTP developing the magical powers suggested by TF's most recent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: what &#8220;power as a popular feminist blogger*?&#8221;</p>
<p>I hate to jump on the &#8220;just a joke&#8221; bandwagon&#8211;because I think Twisty is both funny and serious, but this outrage at her anti-cocksucking stance seems to miss the premise of her blog. Thus the tag line &#8220;Prepare to be thrown, white male supremacy!&#8221; The take of the blog in its entirety is basically a comic but honest (in the sense that I think she really believes this) view that everything bad is caused by &#8220;the patriarchy&#8221; and there is little we can do about it, besides document and discuss its various incarnations. In this scheme, blowjobs, lipstick and tiny purses are an expression of women&#8217;s subordination, as is EVERYTHING ELSE. Twisty does not suggest that that not blowing guys is a threat to patriarchy; in fact, she never seems to suggest that anything is a credible threat, as far as I can tell. Except maybe once in a post about women who got together to attack a rapist. But I think the end result was Kafka-esqe torture at the hands of the patriarchal legal system. </p>
<p>I donâ€™t agree with Twisty on this basic score, but I get where she&#8217;s coming from.  Certainly she&#8217;s spot on when it comes to blogs-as-political-acts having little power to change the anti-pussy alignment of the known universe. </p>
<p>If you do still want to be outraged, please save it for something deeper than funk-filled whatsists. I&#8217;d aim for the pathetic (as in full of pathos) acquiescence to the patriarchy that Twisty&#8217;s humourosly nihilistic analysis reflects.</p>
<p>*In honor of Twisty, I spellchecked. Just to prove my point about the significance of the feminist blogosphere at present, I&#8217;d like to mention that MS Word doesn&#8217;t recognize &#8220;blog&#8221; or &#8220;blogger.&#8221; That said, I cannot vouch for my grammatical correctness, nor MS Word&#8217;s. Just one small element that will be different after the revolution initiated by IBTP developing the magical powers suggested by TF&#8217;s most recent post.</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-06-18_314#comment-1349</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Winter &#038; Mary:&lt;/b&gt; All I have to say to that is "Word."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Winter &#038; Mary:</b> All I have to say to that is &#8220;Word.&#8221;</p>
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