I’d like to think that the vast majority of men, given the chance, would both be attracted to and truly like and respect women. But what the argument is here is that most men are not given that chance because we live in a society where men are taught to devalue, objectify, and fetishize women.

Respect for women, and I mean truly respecting them and not just giving lipservice to the idea while doing things like calling women “bitches” and “whores”, is something that men have to fight very hard for, and most of the ones I’ve met are willing to only go so far before they think that it’s good enough (sort of the “I believe that men and women are equal, I don’t hit my girlfriend, so why does it matter if I make sexist jokes?” variety).

Heterosocial: Enjoys/prefers the company of people of the opposite sex. Socializes along those lines. A SO of the opposite sex is more likely be a friend/associate as well as a girlfriend/boyfriend/lover/husband/wife, fitting both roles in a likely more dynamic way. (A SO of the same sex perhaps being less likely to be like that.) Often associated with being actually gay due to the person doing things people of the opposite sex like to do.

Homosocial: Enjoys/prefers the company of people of the same sex. Socializes along those lines. A SO of the opposite sex will likely be little more than a girlfriend/boyfriend/lover/husband/wife, fitting those roles far more explicitly due to there being less of an other component to the relationship. (Similarly, SO of same sex would be more likely to be like the heterosocial case.) Often associated with ‘homoerotic’ (but not quite as gay) things such as football.

Beta is describing a part of the world where the men _must_ be extremely homosocial, and thereby lacking _any_ of the components of the heterosocial, often in the fear that the last thing I listed under heterosocial might be suspected. I would doubt you could say that they ‘liked’ women. They would say ‘they wanted to nail’ women, perhaps. ‘Liked… to screw’ women. But if someone don’t like what a group does, or says, or is, in any way… how can they really say they like them? And if you’re looking for more than satisfying social/gender/sex role A, B, or C that are typically given to women… well.

-Mecha

So what are you trying to say exactly?

Those men would say they liked women, but “like” means “enjoy the company of”. They clearly didn’t. It didn’t mean they were overtly anti-feminist. It did mean that when they wanted someone to enjoy being around, they looked toward other men, not women. That just doesn’t meet the definition of “liking women”.

I’m thinking it makes much more sense to say it’s hard to find a man that holds the same political/feminist views/beliefs as you do

Well, I definitely feel that too, but it’s not exactly the same point. Trying to explain what I meant is impossible in a comment, I think :/ I’ll keep it in mind for a post topic, though, and as soon as I have some time to settle down and think it out, I’ll start working on it.

Ok, I get what you were trying to say (I think) but when you said it’s a rarity for heterosexual men to like women, I thought that was….odd to say the least.I’m thinking it makes much more sense to say it’s hard to find a man that holds the same political/feminist views/beliefs as you do.But hey, if it’s that bad, you could aways turn to women, if you’re attracted to them that is.
Then again,a friend of mine, a woman who happens to prefer women wishes women were more simpile to deal with like men and less like “b*tches”.Her words not mine.I guess the grass isn’t always greener on the other side eh

Some guys break away from this idea, but a lot don’t. And it’s not going to get any better until people become aware of the harms that objectifying women does to both the objectified women and the men objectifying them.

That was a joke right?RIGHT?