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	<title>Comments on: Further proof that success isn&#8217;t always about hard work</title>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2005-09-05_43#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD - I agree with you on the upper class being kept in jobs pretty much solely on their connections. While I can't speak from personal experience job-wise, the school I went to (private, obviously *self-depreciating laugh*) was full of rich kids who didn't give a shit because their parents' connections would get them into university, into a job, etc. Learning? Who needs it! They certainly didn't.

Also, good point on networking versus using a social network. Although sometimes the latter does take work, smoozing effectively once you've been introduced, it doesn't have to. In the case with my cousin that I noted (the tech company that tanked), family connections got him a foot in the door but he still had to prove his mettle. 

&lt;i&gt;The value of this post is that the author is obviously aware, or becomming aware, of her class status... Maybe more will become more aware as well... The awareness can then lead to change.&lt;/i&gt;

It is &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; weird seeing that chain of thought be applied to me and my life. I know, I know, it's the kind of thing I advocate all the time here, but... The thought that me, personally, right now, just by talking about my privilege, could possibly help lead to change... It's just freaky.

As always, thanks for commenting, SD. I'm glad that you're finally back in action in the blogworld ^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD - I agree with you on the upper class being kept in jobs pretty much solely on their connections. While I can&#8217;t speak from personal experience job-wise, the school I went to (private, obviously *self-depreciating laugh*) was full of rich kids who didn&#8217;t give a shit because their parents&#8217; connections would get them into university, into a job, etc. Learning? Who needs it! They certainly didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Also, good point on networking versus using a social network. Although sometimes the latter does take work, smoozing effectively once you&#8217;ve been introduced, it doesn&#8217;t have to. In the case with my cousin that I noted (the tech company that tanked), family connections got him a foot in the door but he still had to prove his mettle. </p>
<p><i>The value of this post is that the author is obviously aware, or becomming aware, of her class status&#8230; Maybe more will become more aware as well&#8230; The awareness can then lead to change.</i></p>
<p>It is <i>so</i> weird seeing that chain of thought be applied to me and my life. I know, I know, it&#8217;s the kind of thing I advocate all the time here, but&#8230; The thought that me, personally, right now, just by talking about my privilege, could possibly help lead to change&#8230; It&#8217;s just freaky.</p>
<p>As always, thanks for commenting, SD. I&#8217;m glad that you&#8217;re finally back in action in the blogworld ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: Sour Duck</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2005-09-05_43#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>Sour Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;"As I like to say (in most cases) who you know gets you in the door, but what you know keeps you there."&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, my experience says otherwise: a lot of incompetent or mediocre workers with good connections not only get the plum jobs, but their upper class connections ensure that they all cover their asses. So they *keep* the jobs, as well.

As always, your mileage may vary and all that. :)

And I think there's a different between networking, and using your parent's neighbors at your Hamptons summer home to land a job in a publishing firm. But maybe that's just me. In the first case, you do the work *locating and fostering* contacts; the other is based on being able to move in rich social networks.

As to the question of whether we would all use such resources to our advantage, if we had them - this isn't the point. In fact, that reasoning *could* be used to excuse alot of bad behavior. The value of this post is that the author is obviously aware, or becomming aware, of her class status and how it gives her advantages simply through an accident of birth. Maybe more will become more aware as well, reading her post. The awareness can then lead to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;As I like to say (in most cases) who you know gets you in the door, but what you know keeps you there.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Actually, my experience says otherwise: a lot of incompetent or mediocre workers with good connections not only get the plum jobs, but their upper class connections ensure that they all cover their asses. So they *keep* the jobs, as well.</p>
<p>As always, your mileage may vary and all that. <img src='http://blog.shrub.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And I think there&#8217;s a different between networking, and using your parent&#8217;s neighbors at your Hamptons summer home to land a job in a publishing firm. But maybe that&#8217;s just me. In the first case, you do the work *locating and fostering* contacts; the other is based on being able to move in rich social networks.</p>
<p>As to the question of whether we would all use such resources to our advantage, if we had them - this isn&#8217;t the point. In fact, that reasoning *could* be used to excuse alot of bad behavior. The value of this post is that the author is obviously aware, or becomming aware, of her class status and how it gives her advantages simply through an accident of birth. Maybe more will become more aware as well, reading her post. The awareness can then lead to change.</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2005-09-05_43#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DS - LOL. I'd have to talk to my uncle; he's the one with the hookups. Although I do warn you, the tech company that he got Josh a job in several years ago tanked (and screwed him out of like 1k dollars). It was a great idea, but the people running it were clueless about technology and ended screwing the company over; I think after it went bankrupt it was sold to Kodak or something, but not soon enough for Josh to get the last of his pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DS - LOL. I&#8217;d have to talk to my uncle; he&#8217;s the one with the hookups. Although I do warn you, the tech company that he got Josh a job in several years ago tanked (and screwed him out of like 1k dollars). It was a great idea, but the people running it were clueless about technology and ended screwing the company over; I think after it went bankrupt it was sold to Kodak or something, but not soon enough for Josh to get the last of his pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Darth Sidhe</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2005-09-05_43#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>Darth Sidhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, got any contacts for a job with opportunities for advancement? I've had to deal with enough media relations bullshit in this one that I could probably knock out press releases one after the other.  And technical writing experience!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, got any contacts for a job with opportunities for advancement? I&#8217;ve had to deal with enough media relations bullshit in this one that I could probably knock out press releases one after the other.  And technical writing experience!</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2005-09-05_43#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3.9 = what letter grade? I never figured that stuff out LOL I don't even remember how percentages correlate to letter grades in the American system. But, yeah, it is somewhat arbitrary 'cause it's top 15% of your faculty/major - which I guess says something about my faculty!

You're right in the keeping the job part, unless it's your family company. Or you get relegated to a useless job that pays well but doesn't put any real responsibility on your shoulders. For dumb rich kids that sometimes happens.

HW agent types. So far my only literary connections are useful only &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; we find an agent - for negotiating contracts and the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3.9 = what letter grade? I never figured that stuff out LOL I don&#8217;t even remember how percentages correlate to letter grades in the American system. But, yeah, it is somewhat arbitrary &#8217;cause it&#8217;s top 15% of your faculty/major - which I guess says something about my faculty!</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right in the keeping the job part, unless it&#8217;s your family company. Or you get relegated to a useless job that pays well but doesn&#8217;t put any real responsibility on your shoulders. For dumb rich kids that sometimes happens.</p>
<p>HW agent types. So far my only literary connections are useful only <i>after</i> we find an agent - for negotiating contracts and the like.</p>
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		<title>By: Buffy</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2005-09-05_43#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator>Buffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I had a 3.9 and I didn't get an invitation! Working your ass off in grad school is so NOT worth it!  We get passed over for all the good stuff that you get as an under grad. Humph!

But, to your actual point- yes, it's who you know, not what you know. As I like to say (in most cases) who you know gets you in the door, but what you know keeps you there.  A friend might get you the job, but lets face it, if you are a total dumb ass with no work ethic, it is very unlikely you will *keep* the job.

And unrleated, well, you did mention it, but this is just us. Are you talking HW agent types? Or someone who knows someone who knows a literary agent? What's the point of those connections if not to abuse them? LOL Yah, anyone without the connections (like me- look at all my work to find a job even though I have the education and experience) whines, but if they had them, they would so use them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I had a 3.9 and I didn&#8217;t get an invitation! Working your ass off in grad school is so NOT worth it!  We get passed over for all the good stuff that you get as an under grad. Humph!</p>
<p>But, to your actual point- yes, it&#8217;s who you know, not what you know. As I like to say (in most cases) who you know gets you in the door, but what you know keeps you there.  A friend might get you the job, but lets face it, if you are a total dumb ass with no work ethic, it is very unlikely you will *keep* the job.</p>
<p>And unrleated, well, you did mention it, but this is just us. Are you talking HW agent types? Or someone who knows someone who knows a literary agent? What&#8217;s the point of those connections if not to abuse them? LOL Yah, anyone without the connections (like me- look at all my work to find a job even though I have the education and experience) whines, but if they had them, they would so use them.</p>
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		<title>By: tekanji</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2005-09-05_43#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>tekanji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joyce - Glad to see you actually commenting :P But, yeah, connections are one main way that the elites remain elite.

DS - I think it's mostly just to put on my resume; maybe if I end up working for an American or Canadian company before striking it out on my own it'll be a point in my favour. Who knows. The events looked dumb to me too, but I never was one for events. My family was shocked that I even went to my own graduation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joyce - Glad to see you actually commenting <img src='http://blog.shrub.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> But, yeah, connections are one main way that the elites remain elite.</p>
<p>DS - I think it&#8217;s mostly just to put on my resume; maybe if I end up working for an American or Canadian company before striking it out on my own it&#8217;ll be a point in my favour. Who knows. The events looked dumb to me too, but I never was one for events. My family was shocked that I even went to my own graduation.</p>
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		<title>By: Darth Sidhe</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2005-09-05_43#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>Darth Sidhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've joined GK.  So far it's gotten me a lot of e-mails about events that look pretty lame.

Not impressed.  Hope you do better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve joined GK.  So far it&#8217;s gotten me a lot of e-mails about events that look pretty lame.</p>
<p>Not impressed.  Hope you do better.</p>
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		<title>By: joyce</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2005-09-05_43#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 01:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah it's so true, the whole connections thing.  my job at kumon, enda b kids, and also my pass job at my old highschool was just all connections!  the only job i got through my own "hard work" was the one at plum XD  it's sad, but true ^^"  that's how the elitist remains elitist - after all, elites know elites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah it&#8217;s so true, the whole connections thing.  my job at kumon, enda b kids, and also my pass job at my old highschool was just all connections!  the only job i got through my own &#8220;hard work&#8221; was the one at plum XD  it&#8217;s sad, but true ^^&#8221;  that&#8217;s how the elitist remains elitist - after all, elites know elites.</p>
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