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By: Tacker

Tacker — Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:03:52 +0000

I donâ€™t think thereâ€™s any way to live life thatâ€™s completely ethical or keeps other living things from dying or suffering (because even plants suffer when you kill them and eat them). Unforunately reality interferes with the ideals of a lot of anti-oppression work, and I think animal rights is probably the most difficult to balance in that respect.

By: Cristy

Cristy — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:09:37 +0000

Thanks Ariel. I am sorry that I didn’t email you anything. I had intended to write something about passion and got all tied up in knots about what veganism means to me… Anyway, great work.

We (at two peas, no pod) will be hosting the next Carnival in August and I would love to encourage people to submit posts (their or someone else’s) to us at nopod.blog@gmail.com

I am particularly interested in the life cycle of veg*nism:
1. The story of when and how people became a vegan or vegetarian
2. The evolution of people’s reasons for staying a veg*n
3. The most frustrating aspects of being a veg*n
4. The most rewarding aspects of being a veg*n
5. Whether or not people make much of an effort to “convert” others to veg*nism and what people think of this as a concept.

It would be great to hear from people from all over.
Thanks!

By: kristy

kristy — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:33:13 +0000

Excellent job! And no I’m not saying that because my post is above. I actually wanted to recommend more posts, but didn’t get around to it (its been a bad couple of weeks).

Anyway, I love how you quoted each link, it made me want to go and read more for quite a few of them.

By: Lake Desire

Lake Desire — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 02:36:13 +0000

earlbecke, I am a huge believer that it shouldn’t be all or nothing (heck I’m not vegan enough to some people) and people should cut out the forms of animal cruelty that they’re willing and able to in their own lives. You’re thinking about where your food comes from, and doing what you’re comfortable with and believe in to reduce animal suffering. Do you have suggestions of how I can be more welcoming for non-vegans? I want to strengthen the community of vegan bloggers and draw out nonvegan allies who can relate to a love of animals in their own lives.

brownfemipower, I’ll try to submit more stuff to the women of color carnival. I just forget and lose track of carnival deadlines with so much other stuff going on. I wonder if we could set up E-mail reminders?

By: brownfemipower

brownfemipower — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:09:54 +0000

very very nice carnival!!! I’m very impressed with it!

(ps. the woc carnival is going through the same thing, not a lot of people submitting–if you find a solution to it, let us know!

By: earlbecke

earlbecke — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:50:41 +0000

Hmmm… I feel weird commenting on this. I appreciate the viewpoints presented and I really empathize. I think you’ve collected some great posts. I do think the way people treat animals as some kind of lesser, disposable beings that don’t deserve basic dignity (or even a relatively pain-free life) is really messed up — and at the same time, I’m not vegan. I think that’s a big reason why you aren’t getting a lot of comments, because even people who sympathize but who aren’t vegan will probably feel really uncomfortable talking about it. I know I do.

And now I feel compelled to try to explain myself: I’m not trying to invalidate anyone’s choices because I really respect veganism, but… I don’t think there’s any way to live life that’s completely ethical or keeps other living things from dying or suffering (because even plants suffer when you kill them and eat them). Unforunately reality interferes with the ideals of a lot of anti-oppression work, and I think animal rights is probably the most difficult to balance in that respect. So I see no reason to completely cut animal products out of my life, though I wouldn’t mind being mostly vegetarian (I really like cheese ), and I try to eat organic, cruelty-free products. I think the best I can do is hold a deep respect for the plants and animals I eat, and try to understand where my food comes from — which most people don’t bother to do. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

And even now, though I want to support you and the work you’re doing, I feel awkward about commenting at all. I’m hesitant to post because just the act of disagreeing about veganism seems invalidating and rude, even if I genuinely sympathize with your values and support anyone who chooses to be vegan. It’s one of those matters which makes people who disagree with you about it feel deeply guilty (which they’ll then attack you for), or, if they respectfully disagree, they’ll still feel like saying anything at all will seem like an attack even if it’s not intended as such. On the other hand, I think you’ve done a great job here and deserve to hear about it.

*sigh* Far too complicated for something so simple.

By: Lake Desire

Lake Desire — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 17:07:59 +0000

Thank you vegankid! I’m glad you enjoyed it. I was starting to worry for a minute there.

By: vegankid

vegankid — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:14:32 +0000

This is great, ariel. And you introduced me to some new vegan blogs! thanks for putting this together.

By: vegankid » 2nd Carnival of Empty Cages

vegankid » 2nd Carnival of Empty Cages — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:12:48 +0000

[...] Its up! Go check it out over on shrub.com. Lake Desire has done an incredible job putting together some great posts. And if you are interested in hosting the August edition of the CoEC, please let me know! [...]