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	<title>Comments on: Policing women through violence [Women and Violence, Part 7]</title>
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		<title>By: Sigel Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/dora/2007-05-25_604#comment-71095</link>
		<dc:creator>Sigel Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 03:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;dresseuse&lt;/b&gt;: You raise a good point. Though I have experienced a difference in harassment I've faced at night versus during the day, that's certainly not the case for every woman. And yeah, 'claiming public space' is what it's all about. :/

&lt;b&gt;Katie&lt;/b&gt;: It looks like your comment posted anyway? I like the tip you give. You're right, and some of your specific circumstances affect how useful it is for you; but this battle is won piece by piece, rather than with a single perfect strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>dresseuse</b>: You raise a good point. Though I have experienced a difference in harassment I&#8217;ve faced at night versus during the day, that&#8217;s certainly not the case for every woman. And yeah, &#8216;claiming public space&#8217; is what it&#8217;s all about. :/</p>
<p><b>Katie</b>: It looks like your comment posted anyway? I like the tip you give. You&#8217;re right, and some of your specific circumstances affect how useful it is for you; but this battle is won piece by piece, rather than with a single perfect strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/dora/2007-05-25_604#comment-71091</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 02:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUCK!!!!

I lost my huge, long comment with a kickass tip for women.  :-(

I'm too tired to write it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUCK!!!!</p>
<p>I lost my huge, long comment with a kickass tip for women.  <img src='http://blog.shrub.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m too tired to write it again.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/dora/2007-05-25_604#comment-71090</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 02:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've found that reading feminist blogs and books have exposed me to lots of posts like this, Dora &#38; readers, and that seeing over and over again the question of &lt;i&gt;for whom&lt;/i&gt; a woman is dressed or walking when she's dressed or walking a certain way for someone besides herself has helped me the most.

Ever since I read that (yeah, it &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; help that I have have adrenaline-state training (IMPACT) under my belt...), I've been able to tap into how I feel when I've dressed up intending for swing dancers to size up how I look, for a date with a loved one where I fully permit him to size up how I look, for a date with a liked one where I fully permit him to size up how I look, etc.

I've been able to tap into that sense when I hear or see someone for whom I did &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; choose my clothes or walk and feel a peaceful sense of...irrelevance.

Yeah, irrelevance.  I get this feeling when I catch them that feels like when someone comes up shouting, "Aliiiiicccccce!" and I have to explain, "I'm sorry...I'm not Alice."



I've been able to, thanks to reading feminist descriptions of the problem with random male judgment-and-speaking-it, find a way to not feel "policed" by it.

Of course, as I said, this probably has 1) a lot to do with having had a hell of a lot of practice at doing so in a class where we were trained to handle and simulated such harassment (I even have the video for reminders of my classmates and me in similar situations!) 2) a lot to do with never having been physically assaulted &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;on account of&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; being perceived as a member of a "weaker" social group.



Nevertheless, hopefully people who aren't in my lucky situation can still start with my tactic and develop one that works for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found that reading feminist blogs and books have exposed me to lots of posts like this, Dora &amp; readers, and that seeing over and over again the question of <i>for whom</i> a woman is dressed or walking when she&#8217;s dressed or walking a certain way for someone besides herself has helped me the most.</p>
<p>Ever since I read that (yeah, it <i>does</i> help that I have have adrenaline-state training (IMPACT) under my belt&#8230;), I&#8217;ve been able to tap into how I feel when I&#8217;ve dressed up intending for swing dancers to size up how I look, for a date with a loved one where I fully permit him to size up how I look, for a date with a liked one where I fully permit him to size up how I look, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been able to tap into that sense when I hear or see someone for whom I did <i>not</i> choose my clothes or walk and feel a peaceful sense of&#8230;irrelevance.</p>
<p>Yeah, irrelevance.  I get this feeling when I catch them that feels like when someone comes up shouting, &#8220;Aliiiiicccccce!&#8221; and I have to explain, &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry&#8230;I&#8217;m not Alice.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been able to, thanks to reading feminist descriptions of the problem with random male judgment-and-speaking-it, find a way to not feel &#8220;policed&#8221; by it.</p>
<p>Of course, as I said, this probably has 1) a lot to do with having had a hell of a lot of practice at doing so in a class where we were trained to handle and simulated such harassment (I even have the video for reminders of my classmates and me in similar situations!) 2) a lot to do with never having been physically assaulted <i><b>on account of</b></i> being perceived as a member of a &#8220;weaker&#8221; social group.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, hopefully people who aren&#8217;t in my lucky situation can still start with my tactic and develop one that works for them.</p>
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		<title>By: dresseuse</title>
		<link>http://blog.shrub.com/archives/dora/2007-05-25_604#comment-71023</link>
		<dc:creator>dresseuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 23:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sure, Iâ€™ve been harassed in broad daylight, but thatâ€™s been guys yelling in a sexual way, meant to offend (or perhaps â€˜complimentâ€™) me.&lt;/i&gt;

I don't think there's much difference between daytime and nighttime harassment. I've been harassed during the day in various states of disarray and dishevelment, and many women I know say the same. I think all street harassment is at root about claiming public space as male space, and training women to feel that if they dare to present themselves in public, they should be prepared to be punished for it by becoming an object for male consumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sure, Iâ€™ve been harassed in broad daylight, but thatâ€™s been guys yelling in a sexual way, meant to offend (or perhaps â€˜complimentâ€™) me.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much difference between daytime and nighttime harassment. I&#8217;ve been harassed during the day in various states of disarray and dishevelment, and many women I know say the same. I think all street harassment is at root about claiming public space as male space, and training women to feel that if they dare to present themselves in public, they should be prepared to be punished for it by becoming an object for male consumption.</p>
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